Why I Voted Yes

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TWU Members Approve Tentative Agreements at American Airlines

Aug. 8, 2012​

Maintenance and Related and Stores Workers Achieved Nothing
Phatt Don accidentally hit send too early

 

[TLW]

Yea!!! The circus is coming back to town! Can't wait!

 

[BigMac]

Press Releases






TWU Members Approve Tentative Agreements at American Airlines

Aug. 8, 2012​

Maintenance and Related and Stores Workers Achieved Nothing
Phatt Don accidentally hit send too early

July 10th article. Nice try

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

How can you even think that? Voting no is like saying, "that's it, I give up, I'm not taking this crap anymore, I don't care what happens anymore." You're quitting. You say you're fighting? really? How so? By accepting the term sheet? You do know how stupid that sounds right?

Written like a true idiot.

Voting yes means a person is giving up. Voting yes means a person is WILLINGLY giving up benefits because they fear making a stand. Voting yes means you are tired, weak and scared and unwilling to defend your craft. Voting yes is the twu meaning of "fight like Hell".

Stupid sounds exactly like the sound you make each time you touch a key on your key board.

Can't wait for don v., bobby gless, gary drummond and jim little to see the large no vote and try and figure out what to do next. Gosh darn it! The twu international is going to have to pay their own bk fees. Schucks!

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Remember the leaders of the vote NO army - Owens, Peterson, JR, and the AMFA wannabees who failed at NWA and want to show how they can fail here. What a bunch of self-appointed Legal & Bankruptcy Geniuses we have among us. They know everything about everything, just ask them.

Don't forget their names, I won't.

Remember the names of the cowardly like realityck, hss, overspeed, cio. Those who urged people to cowar and accept defeat while allowing the company and international to remain untouchable

Don't forget their alias'. I won't.

 

[Overspeed]

Written like a true idiot.

Voting yes means a person is giving up. Voting yes means a person is WILLINGLY giving up benefits because they fear making a stand. Voting yes means you are tired, weak and scared and unwilling to defend your craft. Voting yes is the twu meaning of "fight like Hell".

Stupid sounds exactly like the sound you make each time you touch a key on your key board.

Can't wait for don v., bobby gless, gary drummond and jim little to see the large no vote and try and figure out what to do next. Gosh darn it! The twu international is going to have to pay their own bk fees. Schucks!

Ken is that all you have, calling people names.

Voting no means what? That AA will take more not less. That's what abrogation means, AA gets what they want. No raises, outsourcing up to 40% of maintenance spend on top of existing outsourced work, no line maintenance outsourcing cap (BC's are specifically listed as being targeted), benefits costs will still go up yet you won't be getting any raise to cover the increase in costs (net pay goes even lower than it is today), and no match for your 401(k).

Voting yes is not giving in, it is mitigating the losses. AA will win and you will lose big. Maybe you should start educating yourself on the facts. Stop buying in to everything in an emotional manner. You are aligned with groups and people that are destroying our profession yet you refuse to answer why you did it. Why? Because your actions are indefensible and you know it. Weak Ken, you are very weak.

Can't wait until you see the WARN letters show up in SAN Ken.

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Ken is that all you have, calling people names.

Voting no means what? That AA will take more not less. That's what abrogation means, AA gets what they want. No raises, outsourcing up to 40% of maintenance spend on top of existing outsourced work, no line maintenance outsourcing cap (BC's are specifically listed as being targeted), benefits costs will still go up yet you won't be getting any raise to cover the increase in costs (net pay goes even lower than it is today), and no match for your 401(k).

Voting yes is not giving in, it is mitigating the losses. AA will win and you will lose big. Maybe you should start educating yourself on the facts. Stop buying in to everything in an emotional manner. You are aligned with groups and people that are destroying our profession yet you refuse to answer why you did it. Why? Because your actions are indefensible and you know it. Weak Ken, you are very weak.

Can't wait until you see the WARN letters show up in SAN Ken.

You defend the undefendable. You cowar behind an alias. You spew fear and cowardice.

WARN letters in SAN? If I was you I would certainly stain my undergarments. But alas I am not you and do not live in fear. WARN letter? Okay, I get a WARN letter? Does the world stop spinning? Does a WARN letter remove my principles and desire to "fight like Hell" for our craft?

Listen Don, let the people willing to fight do just that.

VOTED NO!

 

[Overspeed]

You defend the undefendable. You cowar behind an alias. You spew fear and cowardice.

WARN letters in SAN? If I was you I would certainly stain my undergarments. But alas I am not you and do not live in fear. WARN letter? Okay, I get a WARN letter? Does the world stop spinning? Does a WARN letter remove my principles and desire to "fight like Hell" for our craft?

Listen Don, let the people willing to fight do just that.

VOTED NO!

So you vote yes to more outsourcing. Sweet.

Hey fight all you want Ken but working with and accepting money from the ARSA and AA management to honor Charles Taylor shows you are truly lost. You have no integrity and are willing to sell your soul as long as your agenda is met. Why didn't you save the effort and just deface the man's grave.

Either way tomorrow we will know which way we are headed. Moving forward with a ratified TA or waiting the outcome of Judge Lane on abrogation.

 

[BigMac]

Can't wait until you see the WARN letters show up in SAN Ken.

OS, that is evil and speaks a lot of ones character. Wishing WARN letters on anyone is disgusting. Damn man, its just plain wrong.

 

[lineguy43]

So you vote yes to more outsourcing. Sweet.

Hey fight all you want Ken but working with and accepting money from the ARSA and AA management to honor Charles Taylor shows you are truly lost. You have no integrity and are willing to sell your soul as long as your agenda is met. Why didn't you save the effort and just deface the man's grave.

Either way tomorrow we will know which way we are headed. Moving forward with a ratified TA or waiting the outcome of Judge Lane on abrogation.

You know no one wants outsourcing but reality is virtually every airline has done it and is doing it despite unions trying to stop it. What is going to happen is you will accept substandard wages and benefits to save jobs which is admirable but at the end of the day those jobs you saved will be lost anyway and the rest who survive will be at the bottom of the ladder in wages and benefits because you were all willing to work for less to save jobs while everyone else is making 10 to 15 dollars an hour more than you guys will.

 

[Overspeed]

OS, that is evil and speaks a lot of ones character. Wishing WARN letters on anyone is disgusting. Damn man, its just plain wrong.

WARN letters are coming regardless it's just whether its 4,500 or 2,000. The point being made is when all these no vote advocates who are gambling with other people's jobs (i.e. not their balls, the low seniority guy's balls) have to explain that why they had to get laid off for the craft.

The real evil is when Ken claims to have balls but is so willing to throw others under the bus for his own agenda. That's evil.

 

[Overspeed]

You know no one wants outsourcing but reality is virtually every airline has done it and is doing it despite unions trying to stop it. What is going to happen is you will accept substandard wages and benefits to save jobs which is admirable but at the end of the day those jobs you saved will be lost anyway and the rest who survive will be at the bottom of the ladder in wages and benefits because you were all willing to work for less to save jobs while everyone else is making 10 to 15 dollars an hour more than you guys will.

No I was willing to accept number two wages (May 2010 TA) and not give away jobs.

 

[scorpion 2]

So you vote yes to more outsourcing. Sweet.

Hey fight all you want Ken but working with and accepting money from the ARSA and AA management to honor Charles Taylor shows you are truly lost. You have no integrity and are willing to sell your soul as long as your agenda is met. Why didn't you save the effort and just deface the man's grave.

Either way tomorrow we will know which way we are headed. Moving forward with a ratified TA or waiting the outcome of Judge Lane on abrogation.

Taking donations for a cause that honors Charles Taylor and promotes our profession is wrong? If he can get money out of this corporation when the twu cant then maybe we should send him to the negotiating table!!!!!!!!!

 

[AC Tynker]

Just out of curiosity why did you except the money from ARSA Ken? I have seen the question asked several times and if you answered I missed it. Did you not know what they were doing to our Craft directly with the lobbying etc dismantling accountability of MROs ? I appreciate the fact you say you are fighting for our Craft as Aviation A&P Mechanics but giving ARSA recognition for a contribution toward something that celebrates longevity and pride for the roots of what we do kind of takes the meaning right out of the fight and the bust wouldn't you agree ?

I have read all the dialog you have thrown out there trying to belittle people calling them cowards along with many other names when the perspective you have of why they would choose to vote a different way than you is null. If you weren't such a vocal advocate of our Craft and didn't portray yourself as such a perfect example of an Aviation Mechanic I probably wouldn't have gave it a second thought. I would hope that you have checked them out by now and understand what they are trying to enable with their actions and money in Washington. I patiently waited to see if you would answer the question before I asked so I am by no means jumping on a band wagon.

Before you ask, No I am nowhere near perfect and yes I make plenty of mistakes but I don't throw myself out there as you do trying to represent anything. I look forward to your answer hopefully it's genuine and not defensive.

 

[scorpion 2]

WARN letters are coming regardless it's just whether its 4,500 or 2,000. The point being made is when all these no vote advocates who are gambling with other people's jobs (i.e. not their balls, the low seniority guy's balls) have to explain that why they had to get laid off for the craft.

The real evil is when Ken claims to have balls but is so willing to throw others under the bus for his own agenda. That's evil.

Im tired of yes voters accepting fear as rational to vote in what they think is a smaller number of job losses. There is nothing in this rag that gives any detail at all that less jobs will be outsourced by voting it in. If there was a specific number put in that stated under no circumstance would the Tulsa base go below x headcount then you would have an argument. What you have is nothing more than hearsay.