Why I Voted Yes

[Bob Owens]

Under U.S.C. Section 1113 there is no requirement to establish a new status quo (your new contract) after abrogation. The only requirement is for the parties to meet but no timeline to create a new contract. So what I envision is after what I hope is not a no vote to create this unhappy event but if it does then the union will go to meet with the company as required by both parties through the Railway Labor Act and then I would expect the company to say (you have your imposed terms of employment, live with it, we will see you in 2018).....Just my spiel B)

Oh,yeah.....VOTE YES

Nope, and their is nothing under 1113 as far as our right to strike. So under sect 6 they have to meet or face a release. If they say see you in 2018, added to the fact that the parties were stalemeted for a year prior to BK and the company sought what amounts to self help via c-11 what excuse would the NMB have for not releasing us?

What would Mike Quill do?

 

[High Speed Steel]

Nope, and their is nothing under 1113 as far as our right to strike. So under sect 6 they have to meet or face a release. If they say see you in 2018, added to the fact that the parties were stalemeted for a year prior to BK and the company sought what amounts to self help via c-11 what excuse would the NMB have for not releasing us?

What would Mike Quill do?

Vote no and you will still have a daddy in the NMB and his name will be Mediation, and daddy won't let you play in the street for over 6 years. Vote Yes Bob. We have a chance to start over with true Section 6 negotiations under the RLA after 48 mos. and we would recieve raises as we negotiate the next agreement.... B)

 

[whatajoke]

He would do what Jim Little will not due and that is tell this membership lets turn this down and take this company on.

 

[High Speed Steel]

He would do what Jim Little will not due and that is tell this membership lets turn this down and take this company on.

Wow, That'll impress the hell out of them, I'm sure of it....lol

 

[Birdman]

Vote Yes Bob.

You don't need Bob's vote, you guaranteed this would pass a while back.

 

[High Speed Steel]

You don't need Bob's vote, you guaranteed this would pass a while back.

Yeah I did. I said my people would pass it, they will, I guarantee it....

 

[Flying low]

Yeah I did. I said my people would pass it, they will, I guarantee it....

By "my people", Do you mean Tulsa?

 

[Vortilon]

GenAMT, you will jump on it too, think about it, 36 mos after DOS as an A&P you will be making $35.62, that is before the wage adjustment if the Industry average is above our wages after 36 mos.

You may even get more than $35.62...

Hey and don't forget about the gain sharing plan and the profit sharing, more potential win win for you....

I detect desperation. Golly, a whole $35.62 in 3 years - sounds impressive when compared to baggage handlers pay. Did you forget to mention he won't get his 6th week of vacation at 30 years? Or how about only 5 holidays at half pay? God forbid you ever get sick. Then there is the whole health insurance downgrade - which nobody is really talking about. Wait till you get a bill after any kind of medical claim. What happens if you need a day off for some non emergency, and you don't want, or can't use a sick day? No more PV days - that is a good deal...right? You have been on the wrong side of every topic on this BB, Go ahead and tell us more of why we should vote yes - as the desperation sets in, your posts get more comical.

 

[High Speed Steel]

I detect desperation. Golly, a whole $35.62 in 3 years - sounds impressive when compared to baggage handlers pay. Did you forget to mention he won't get his 6th week of vacation at 30 years? Or how about only 5 holidays at half pay? God forbid you ever get sick. Then there is the whole health insurance downgrade - which nobody is really talking about. Wait till you get a bill after any kind of medical claim. What happens if you need a day off for some non emergency, and you don't want, or can't use a sick day? No more PV days - that is a good deal...right? You have been on the wrong side of every topic on this BB, Go ahead and tell us more of why we should vote yes - as the desperation sets in, your posts get more comical.

Tell you what, go and compare your spiel to my spiel after you include the March 22nd terms of employment you will get with a no vote. Be sure to omit that $35.62 after 36mos. because it will be off the table one of the many off the table by the (*) in the company's Ask.....A yes vote would be the wise choice B) B)

 

[High Speed Steel]

Been getting rude personal messages. So very apparent you fellas cannot engage in honest debate. I thought you supported internet type union meetings I too have a voice and shouldn't have to be ridiculed in this fashion. I guess you just can't handle the truth, for that is all I have to offer...."KMA" haters....lol

 

[DNTULSA]

Been getting rude personal messages. So very apparent you fellas cannot engage in honest debate. I thought you supported internet type union meetings I too have a voice and shouldn't have to be ridiculed in this fashion. I guess you just can't handle the truth, for that is all I have to offer...."KMA" haters....lol

Again, mark the spot; You are all "A"!

 

[Strake]

Another reason I voted Yes.

I'm not a "line machanic".

The vote no crowd is all about doing anything they can to get the OH bases shut down in order to get the AMFA in. Why is the biggest push for the no vote coming from the line? They couldn't care less about the OH mechanics. Hell, they have a welder as their "feerles" leader. Go figure....

 

[TWU informer]

Another reason I voted Yes.

I'm not a "line machanic".

The vote no crowd is all about doing anything they can to get the OH bases shut down in order to get the AMFA in. Why is the biggest push for the no vote coming from the line? They couldn't care less about the OH mechanics. Hell, they have a welder as their "feerles" leader. Go figure....

Take Note: Your enemy is not the Line Mechanic, your enemy is unrestricted outsourcing of work, combined with your own lack of accountabilty, and the lack of accountability towards both your Union and Management Leadership. Combine that with the with loss of Job Security and that, if anything is what you should be fearing.

This T/A does nothing to correct that fact!

The Line Mechanic is the strength and the back bone of your union, and you are foolish enough to believe and participate in driving the leading edge of the wedge of division with every thought you have.

Ignorance is not the answer to your FEAR.

Craft Unionism is not your enemy unless you are unskilled. AMFA has never represented the AA Mechanics and yet we are currently last in pay and benefits, and are about to get in an even worse position unless you take a stand. Your biggest problem is neither the Line Mechanic or AMFA, your biggest problem is your current representation and your inability to reject the fear your union uses to control your mind. How can you look at yourself in the mirror while blaming someone or something else for you voting yes? If you must vote yes, at least have the courage to admit that it was your own decision and stop placing blame an justification on someone or something else. Man up!

 

[Mr Red]

Another reason I voted Yes.

I'm not a "line machanic".

The vote no crowd is all about doing anything they can to get the OH bases shut down in order to get the AMFA in. Why is the biggest push for the no vote coming from the line? They couldn't care less about the OH mechanics. Hell, they have a welder as their "feerles" leader. Go figure....

Most line guys have worked Overhaul at some point in their career.A lot of guys in TULE are NO VOTES !
You have a right to go down with the TWU SINKING SHIP !

 

[Vortilon]

Another reason I voted Yes.

I'm not a "line machanic".

The vote no crowd is all about doing anything they can to get the OH bases shut down in order to get the AMFA in. Why is the biggest push for the no vote coming from the line? They couldn't care less about the OH mechanics. Hell, they have a welder as their "feerles" leader. Go figure....

Nice try Strake, one of Raptorboys many aliases. Could you be any more obvious in your attempt to create a Overhaul vs Line fight. Like an earlier poster pointed out, most of us have done some time in overhaul, and still have friends there. Cut the BS. BTW what is "feerles"? Did you mean "fearless"?