What the deal AMP

[swamt]

I hope that all of you realize that this "card drive" at American is in its infancy with the general purpose being the removal of the Association. Both AMP and AMFA are in the scuttlebutt but nothing has been decided. What is impressive is in the response of younger mechanics and the rest of the mechanics at TULE. There are still other stations to bring online. Everyone must be given to their opinion. What is happening is the loyalists under the yoke of the TWU have approached participants looking for change whose names appear on the Go Fund Me account and threatening with them with Dual Unionism. Last time I checked the Association is not a union.

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Similar yes, but I also want to look at this ----> http://altaunited.com/

I agree. But, It should be united for one union as 1AA has indicated.

Someone better decide which union is best. Money is being collected for representational change but no specific union mentioned yet. We don't need to be split again like the last drive between the AMFA and the Teamsters. All I remember hearing was sign both cards, anyone but the TWU and it can't hurt to go with both so let the best union win. We know what that resulted in. A division in interest.
AMP interest at its debut didn't do well because guys wanted AMFA. AMP drive died and we went nowhere with AMFA.
Let's not make the same mistake. The interest in representational change MUST be with only one union. That's how successful drives are conducted.

I agree 100%. Single union choice. Maybe there could be meetings set with a vote for which one? Not sure, but your right, get it down to one union.

 

[Buck]

One problem is if you read through the Q&A they want to be in the AFL-CIO.
I don't agree. But it's not my union or drive.

Personally, the AFL-CIO has been our largest "PAC". Their history is on the shady side.

 

[Buck]

To the best of my knowledge, the IAM Overhaul or Line do not have anything like this but will be part of whatever develops and the TWU as well with Line Maintenance being the largest. Point is that not one place can get all of the cards.

 

[Buck]

I agree. But, It should be united for one union as 1AA has indicated.


I agree 100%. Single union choice. Maybe there could be meetings set with a vote for which one? Not sure, but your right, get it down to one union.

Unless some rule of the Bankruptcy or Merger prevents any changes.

 

[Buck]

Could you post a link to that information?
and the Association does not claim that they are a union, but rather an Association made up of two unions.

Welcome back 700, you just busted yourself.

 

[Buck]

Someone better decide which union is best. Money is being collected for representational change but no specific union mentioned yet. We don't need to be split again like the last drive between the AMFA and the Teamsters. All I remember hearing was sign both cards, anyone but the TWU and it can't hurt to go with both so let the best union win. We know what that resulted in. A division in interest.
AMP interest at its debut didn't do well because guys wanted AMFA. AMP drive died and we went nowhere with AMFA.
Let's not make the same mistake. The interest in representational change MUST be with only one union. That's how successful drives are conducted.

Do you not believe the membership should be fully informed and decide the direction they should go

 

[1AA]

Do you not believe the membership should be fully informed and decide the direction they should go

Money is being donated for a good reason. Problem is who ever is in charge of this money and potential drive must decide on one union. We went through this with the last drive. The majority agreed on replacing the TWU but were split between two unions. We know the outcome was counter productive. Now I hear it's between AMP and AMFA. Do we need to split guys up again on representation? It's simple. We want to change representation. The union we want to replace is? Financial support is in progress. That's my opinion.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Money is being donated for a good reason. Problem is who ever is in charge of this money and potential drive must decide on one union. We went through this with the last drive. The majority agreed on replacing the TWU but were split between two unions. We know the outcome was counter productive. Now I hear it's between AMP and AMFA. Do we need to split guys up again on representation? It's simple. We want to change representation. The union we want to replace is? Financial support is in progress. That's my opinion.

I understand that ALTA is the leading candidate for new representation. The idea being getting UAL and AA AMTs under the same union.

 

[1AA]

I understand that ALTA is the leading candidate for new representation. The idea being getting UAL and AA AMTs under the same union.

ALTA wants to be AFL-CIO affiliated. Not good for majority support of new representation. We all know the AFL-CIO had a say in the association. The AFL-CIO is not our friend and not interested in our best interest. With them it's about $$$.
No thanks. I won't support it. Now you see the division here on the forum.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

ALTA wants to be AFL-CIO affiliated. Not good for majority support of new representation. We all know the AFL-CIO had a say in the association. The AFL-CIO is not our friend and not interested in our best interest. With them it's about $$$.
No thanks. I won't support it. Now you see the division here on the forum.

Good information. I did not know that and I agree. I will not support anything affiliated with the afl-cio.

 

[1AA]

Good information. I did not know that and I agree. I will not support anything affiliated with the afl-cio.

http://altaunited.com/faqs/
First question.

"The Air Line Technicians Association a union built by our technicians for the Mechanics Class and Craft. Our goal is to become the first AFL-CIO Craft Union like ALPA for the Mechanics Class and Craft."

I don't think that AMT'S want the AFL-CIO influencing decisions and policies of the memberships union. The APFA and the APA are independent AA unions. The folks over at USAIR decided to go with them. We were forced into the Association. The passenger service agents at AA became union first time. They have that association of CWA and Teamsters. A east and west union representation setup. We just need one union with one voice representing a class and craft group without the interference of the AFL-CIO.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

http://altaunited.com/faqs/
First question.

"The Air Line Technicians Association a union built by our technicians for the Mechanics Class and Craft. Our goal is to become the first AFL-CIO Craft Union like ALPA for the Mechanics Class and Craft."

I don't think that AMT'S want the AFL-CIO influencing decisions and policies of the memberships union. The APFA and the APA are independent AA unions. The folks over at USAIR decided to go with them. We were forced into the Association. The passenger service agents at AA became union first time. They have that association of CWA and Teamsters. A east and west union representation setup. We just need one union with one voice representing a class and craft group without the interference of the AFL-CIO.

Yep, I just googled and read over the FAQ. I`m most definitely OUT on that one point alone.

 

[swamt]

I'm with you guys on this issue with ALTA. I would not want to be in a union AFL-CIO related.
You guys need to take the ALTA off the list. I also agree that it should be ONE union to bring in. AMP would have to be started from the ground up. AMFA is already up and running and the mechanics would still run it. Something to think about as we did when we went AMFA. Maybe try AMFA first, get the ole feet wet and see what it takes to run your own union, and then maybe if still not quite satisfied go with your own in house union, AMP?
But I do agree that it would be a lot smoother with only ONE choice to vote for. Just a thought to think about guys. In any event, good luck with this drive. Can someone post the go fund me site as a perm watch on here???

 

[Buck]

There is a pretty good APP called "Grammarly". This free version

Money is being donated for a good reason. Problem is whoever is in charge of this money and potential drive must decide on one union. We went through this with the last drive. The majority agreed on replacing the TWU but were split between two unions. We know the outcome was counterproductive. Now I hear it's between AMP and AMFA. Do we need to split guys up again on representation? It's simple. We want to change representation. The union we want to replace it? Financial support is in progress. That's my opinion.

We are trying to keep the decision of the union in the hands of the membership. Then this group in Tulsa has to remember that the IAM members and of course the voting power of the Line.

 

[1AA]

There is a pretty good APP called "Grammarly". This free version


We are trying to keep the decision of the union in the hands of the membership. Then this group in Tulsa has to remember that the IAM members and of course the voting power of the Line.

A decision needs to be made real soon. Money is coming in and I'm concerned that the concensus is any union but the Association. With so called choice of three possible unions, AMFA, AMP and ALTA this is worse than the last drive of AMFA and Teamsters. Someone should make a decision soon. I'm ready to donate but I need to know that we are perusing one union to replace the association. Having a choice to have your real name posted for many is important. I'm sure union shop stewards and other officers would gladly donate without disclosure.