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Naw. Just to point out that you certainly described the situation with regard to potential ALPA actions to a "T."PITbull said:LOL..... .is that a Clinton joke, or what?
Years ago when I flew for TWA, we had 1/2 pay for DH and that was bad enough. Say hello to Trans-con turns! On the L1011 we would fly to the west coast with 2 crews. One would fly out, the other back. With no DH pay, do any of you think the company would hesitate to start this kind of BS? Be careful what kind of precidents you start. Just remember, if they can do it... they will.BoeingBoy said:I agree. While deadhead isn't a major factor in the current pairings, as soon as it is "no pay" there will probably be a lot more of it - and that's just for line holders.
Paying pilots a salary. Interesting point. How far away from your proposal would it be for U to contract with U ALPA to provide pilot services? Well, that's crazy.michael707767 said:Not being a USAir pilot I don't understand all the ramifications of the what the company is asking for. I do understand that the pilot job is different. They may work less days than most of us do, but they work as many hours and they don't go back to their home every night.
It seems to me that the pilots are willing to fly more, just not add more days away from home. I understand and agree with that. You don't want to allow the company to waste your days without getting any flying from you. Right now you have some rules which prevent them from doing this. They want to get rid of these rules.
So, instead of you worrying about the productivity, I say let them worry about it. I propose this. Switch to a straight salary, a set amount of pay hours per month (90 or so) for a set number of work days per month (17 sounds fair), and within those 17 days they can fly you as much or as little as they want, within the FARs. I bet you would suddenly see them building very productive trips and avoiding all the wasteful crap you complain about.
Michael
Finally, somebody who has not bought into the media frenzy of how little flight crew works. Great comments Michael. Work rules for flight crew have, in my opinion, NEVER been about featherbedding and creating an "easy" job...they are there to make the company work smart. Working smart does two things....it indeed makes crews lives better, because they are not out getting 2 hours a day towards 85 or 95 or whatever number hours they must fly. It also makes the company use its crews efficently...and that helps the bottom line. When the pilots started relaxing duty rigs back in the early 90's, it took about 1 month for the company to start wasting time and crews. After the third relaxing of rules in BK, the crews now find themselves working 20 hour four days (nothing wrong with that in it self, but they would prefer 24 hours HARD time in a 4 day) with a 20 hour layover in god knows where followed by a 1.5 hour flight home. Had the company used crews effectively in the 90s, when the givebacks started, they could have slowly shrunk the pilot group through attrition as everyone worked harder, instead they simply slacked off with even more ineffecient trips. As to your suggestion, I am actually for it....How about 80 hours SALARY pay for all pilots. They can work the pilots 17 days a month, straight FAA duty rigs. They can either fly them 8 hours a day, sit them at the airport 8 hours on really short call, or (as now) sit them at home for 15 hours on short call. A day of vacation would be a day of vacation, and if a training float or 911 type of situation occured, the unions could grant temporary relief in the number of days worked. During normal times, extra days would would pay above regular days...and crew would not be stealing time from their brothers and sisters because everyone would be on salary. It sucks that it has come to this, but as you suggested...how else to hold sub par managers accountable for poor performance. I predict a lot of managers would lose their jobs, as they would have NO idea of how to actually use crews. Best to you. And sorry to the rest of you...can somebody tell me how to spellcheck posts (its probably right in front of me). Just my opinions, based on my observations of flight crews!michael707767 said:So, instead of you worrying about the productivity, I say let them worry about it. I propose this. Switch to a straight salary, a set amount of pay hours per month (90 or so) for a set number of work days per month (17 sounds fair), and within those 17 days they can fly you as much or as little as they want, within the FARs. I bet you would suddenly see them building very productive trips and avoiding all the wasteful crap you complain about.
Michael