What Davex2 Want From Pilots

[TheLarkAscending]

Ah, come on USfli, you just love to give. You should be waiting with anticipation...Pilots are just helping you out if they give this...so you can keep your butt on the airplane just a little longer!

Its time for those "productivity enhancements" you have been bantering for..."help Dave", help Dave, he's only human, he's only human", blah, blah, blah...

Karma - you gotta love it!

 

[USFlyer]

My friend "the pilot" just told me DaveX2 want the following from the pilots .
(1) 95 hour flex month
(2) all training "pay no credit"
(3) No flight pay for Deadhead , just rig pay .
(4) Change in "Minimum Day" ?
(5) Not sure about a W2 paycut

Sure hope the pilots like to fly !

Just curious, but can someone explain what #1-4 mean to us lay people? And, in particular, how agreeing to #1-4 changes what US can do staffing-wise that it can't do today?

 

[PITbull]

US,

It means for every 4 hours that you are "on duty", you are only guaranteed 1 hour of flight pay time (in the air).

In simple terms. I flight crews are "on duty" for a 15 hour day...they would be entitled to or guaranteed approx 3.75 hours of Flight pay time, or hard time, which every is greater.

The company can not do it today without changing the "rigs" in our contracts. This way they guarantee us LESS pay for more hours on duty then we have present day. Normally, our "duty day" is on average a 5 hour flight pay day with a duty day of about 13 hours, however, they can keep f/as on duty for up to 15 hours (in a 24 hour period) and a pilot, up to 16 hours on duty. Then, certain rest periods will trigger for the overnight.

 

[usfliboi]

Ah, come on USfli, you just love to give. You should be waiting with anticipation...Pilots are just helping you out if they give this...so you can keep your butt on the airplane just a little longer!

Its time for those "productivity enhancements" you have been bantering for..."help Dave", help Dave, he's only human, he's only human", blah, blah, blah...

Pit are you the only one on here who feels they are right and every one is wrong? I stated a fact .... AFA wanted to keep "me too" cant have your cake and eat "it" too... I deal with facts not rumor or speculation or emotion. I dont want to give anymore than you do . I for one dont operate my life from looking under neath a sand pile. Thank God Dave isnt either.

 

[Bear96]

Pit are you the only one on here who feels they are right and every one is wrong? I stated a fact .... AFA wanted to keep "me too" cant have your cake and eat "it" too... I deal with facts not rumor or speculation or emotion. I dont want to give anymore than you do . I for one dont operate my life from looking under neath a sand pile. Thank God Dave isnt either.

I think PITbull made a good point.

You (along with Chip) have been leading the charge to bend over and give again.

It would be somewhat ironic if you get what you have been asking for, only to then turn around and complain about it or "blame" AFA for getting for you what you wanted.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

I'm all for the stuff that helps efficiency, but most of that stuff is just pure thievery. NONE of this will have ANY impact over the net 30-90 days, the period tat Bronner and Siegel havesaid is critical. I think that ALPA should revisit some of the Metrojet pay issues with an eye toward implementing them. Any sort of rig, DH cuts or increases in monthly cap MUST be accompanied by appropriate guarantees against more furloughs and increases in pay guarantees. It already takes 18 days in some instances to get in an 85 hour month (that's 18 days away from home for those that don't understand the concept).

 

[USA320Pilot]

The US Airways ALPA resolution to send the MEC Officers, Negotiating Committee, and Advisors to review the transformation plan will likely include management's idea of ALPA's participation. Management may propose contract changes similar in scope to Southwest and JetBlue (LCC's). Once ALPA receives the data and reviews the "books" expect Bill Pollock to call a Special MEC meeting and formal negotiations, which are anticipated to be fast moving, to begin.

The MEC's resolution and vote was an effort to deflect negative rank-and-file sentiment and was political in nature.

In regard to other union contract changes, there can be some AFA contract changes due to the "me too" clause without flight attendant input. Moreover, I understand there are some current cost cut changes that could be done to the CWA, IAM-FSA, and Utility work groups. Furthermore, there are reports that if the IAM and management do not agree on the A320 outsourcing issue and work rule changes, there are provisions in the current IAM-M contract that could make member quality of life much worse.

Separately, according to SpeedNews.com the following A320 family aircraft are available:

There are currently 16 A-319s for sale/lease.
There are currently 49 A-320-200s for sale/lease
There are currently 7 A-321-200s and 2 A-321-100s for sale/lease
There are currently 3 A-330-200s and 2 A-330-300s for sale lease

In addition, there have been negotiations between US Airways and Swiss International about additional aircraft that may be available.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

 

[USA320Pilot]

Oldie:

Oldie said: “I'm all for the stuff that helps efficiency, but most of that stuff is just pure thievery. NONE of this will have ANY impact over the net 30-90 days, the period tat Bronner and Siegel have said is critical.â€￾

USA320Pilot comments: Oldie, your point about not having a short-term effect on the balance in the next 30-90 days is true, However, the real issue is to obtain GECAS and ATSB waivers and or adjustments. The company must meet with these entities and submit a revised long-term business plan to obtain cocenant changes, therefore, the next 30 to 90 days are very important.

Incidently, I understand the potential non-core asset sale(s) and financial covenant changes will signficantly help the company going forward.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

 

[BoeingBoy]

USFlyer,

Let me take a stab at explaining the rest of the "productivity enhancements"...

95 hour flex month - up to 95 hour flight time per month (versus 85 now). Presumably the "flex" portion means that only some number of months per year are eligible for the extra flying - that is the normal meaning of "flex". Currently we are guaranteed 5 hours per duty day (there are exceptions) so by itself this would mean 2 extra days flying in those "flex" months.

Training pay no credit - currently most training is both pay & credit meaning it is paid (2:50 hours per day for pilots) and credits toward the 85 hour pay cap. Going to "pay no credit" would mean that all training would not count toward the 85 (95) hour pay cap so would be extra days worked in those months when training was required.

No deadhead pay - currently we are paid for "riding" in the back (deadhead) to be in position for our next flight as though we were "working". This would eliminate pay for deadheading.

Change in the minimum day - see #1 about guaranteed pay per duty period. This would change it (presumably downward). Traditionally, our scheduled "trips" or series of flights are scheduled by the company to pay at or just above the "minimum day" specified in the contract, so presumably this would mean more days worked per month. Exceptions are the long-haul flights where the flying time is well above the minimum day pay.

To sum it up, #1 would mean more pay per month (& more days working) for those that fly the extra 10 hours. #2 would mean more pay (& more days working) in those months where training is required but would have a minor effect since most pilots only have 4 days per year of training per year and 2 of those are already pay no credit. #3 & #4 would mean more days working for the same pay with #4 having by far the biggest effect since most trips currently don't include any deadhead (of course that could change if there were no pay for deadhead.

Jim

 

[700UW]

Furthermore, there are reports that if the IAM and management do not agree on the A320 outsourcing issue and work rule changes, there are provisions in the current IAM-M contract that could make member quality of life much worse.

Ok A320,

It is time to put up or shut up. You make a post with inaccurate information, now you posted that so you tell someone who knows the IAM M&R Contract backwards and forward what do you mean or is it just your usual BS to make people get scared?

Second, there is nothing to agree on or negotiate on the A320 Maintenance it is IAM covered work, just as the IAM and THREE FEDERAL COURT Decisions have said, get your head out of the sand and look what is happening instead of posting inaccurate information which you know nothing about.

Now you won't respond because you never respond when someone proves you are wrong.

 

[delldude]

USA320PILOT: you keep eluding to this issue of "if they call back mechanics..it will be hard on those already working"...what do you mean? USA320PILOT COMMENTS:Furthermore, there are reports that if the IAM and management do not agree on the A320 outsourcing issue and work rule changes, there are provisions in the current IAM-M contract that could make member quality of life much worse. hey guy would you seriously mind elaborating a bit?enquiring minds want to know
and if you do not want to comment,why do keep posting this stuff?

 

[oldiebutgoody]

In my OPINION, anything the company institutes against the mechanics which is NOT in accordance with their contract or PAST PRACTICE could be seen as punitive. This would ALMOST CERTAINLY be interpreted by a court as a sort of contempt against the court's decision, should the IAM prevail (which I believe they will). UAIR management would likely be getting itself involved in not only CIVIL, but likely CRIMINAL charges. That certainly would NOT bode well for the future of this company. UAIR NEEDS COMPETENT MANAGEMENT NOW!

 

[delldude]

In my OPINION, anything the company institutes against the mechanics which is NOT in accordance with their contract or PAST PRACTICE could be seen as punitive. This would ALMOST CERTAINLY be interpreted by a court as a sort of contempt against the court's decision, should the IAM prevail (which I believe they will). UAIR management would likely be getting itself involved in not only CIVIL, but likely CRIMINAL charges. That certainly would NOT bode well for the future of this company. UAIR NEEDS COMPETENT MANAGEMENT NOW!

OLDIE-would you be suprised with this bunch if it went that way?

 

[PITbull]

Ah, come on USfli, you just love to give. You should be waiting with anticipation...Pilots are just helping you out if they give this...so you can keep your butt on the airplane just a little longer!

Its time for those "productivity enhancements" you have been bantering for..."help Dave", help Dave, he's only human, he's only human", blah, blah, blah...

Pit are you the only one on here who feels they are right and every one is wrong? I stated a fact .... AFA wanted to keep "me too" cant have your cake and eat "it" too... I deal with facts not rumor or speculation or emotion. I dont want to give anymore than you do . I for one dont operate my life from looking under neath a sand pile. Thank God Dave isnt either.

USfli,

No, I'm not the only one that feels I am always right...

You can only deal with facts if you know what the facts are. Like some posters on here that think they know the facts and twist it with their opinion.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

OLDIE-would you be suprised with this bunch if it went that way?

Uh, no I wouldn't be at all surprised. Their egos will never let them admit to being in error.