What are we, M & R Related, asking for.

[toroshark]

I don't want any shape or form of the IAMNPF.

SECONDED!

 

[toroshark]

I doubt that those of us currently in the 401k match program will ever even get to see a T/A that does not force us into the IAMPF. Our big CHOICE will be to vote down the contracts with that provision.But the Association will sell it just enough to get 51%. Same old same old.

 

[1AA]

Well after the TWU proved they are in control on our behalf and the lawsuit filed by 562 over the contract we can vote down all we want but the TWU has the full authority to sign off on a contract in the interest of what's best for the membership. Or should I say the company union. I'm sure with the association the same rules apply. The first step or slap in the face was the nmb buying off on the association with the understanding the unions speak on our behalf. The next step is a jcba if we repeatedly turn it down. There is only one way to stop this. Fire the bums and replace them with a democratic union. Both pilots and flight attendants unions can vote in and out their officers and the membership owns the contracts. Why in the hell are we still fighting amongst ourselves over this?

 

[Buck]

The difference in this forum and the questionnaire the TWU 514  or the TWU International handed out is, The mechanics here are expressing their opinion. The TWU Survey was all about what you want to give back or give up .

 

[700UW]

I personally believe with the relation of where the company was and where it is now, you guys should get everything back that was taken from you to help the company become successful.  All previous concessions should be 100% restored and a little extra on the side for what the employees have done to do their part.  With AA's record profits and the merger with US you guys should get everything restored plus some.  Some on here are correct, this association will in fact take credit for the D+7 when it is the company offering it to all the other groups it is not the association that nego it in.

When are you going to admit you were wrong and apologize to me?

 

[Slopoke]

When are you going to admit you were wrong and apologize to me?

 
 
Let it go already. If you want a response, handle it through PMs, not here and derail this thread.

 

[700UW]

Why?
 
All you mechanics pollute every thread with the same stuff over and over and over.

 

[1AA]

Why?
 
All you mechanics pollute every thread with the same stuff over and over and over.

You should look in the mirror before accusing others and making such a comment.

 

[scorpion 2]

Why?
 
All you mechanics pollute every thread with the same stuff over and over and over.

You ever thought of yanking yourself instead of mechanics. They do have a blue pill for your suffering.

 

[scorpion 2]

We can't get a decent contract during section 6 negotiations and the iam blew their chances during good times under section 6. Why would the company give us anything now? We aren't negotiating we are just asking for charity and there is no reason for the company to give us any.
The only leverage we have is our pension trust so you have to wonder if that will be the resource for contract talks.  

 

[Buck]

We can't get a decent contract during section 6 negotiations and the iam blew their chances during good times under section 6. Why would the company give us anything now? We aren't negotiating we are just asking for charity and there is no reason for the company to give us any.
The only leverage we have is our pension trust so you have to wonder if that will be the resource for contract talks.  

Why would our Frozen Pension be a leverage item? In the past the "Best Pension in the Industry" is what contributed to the lower wages and lackluster benefits. My fear is that it will be inthe contract talks at all. Let's leave the Frozen pension where it is, that leaves no opportunity for it to be negotiated away or somehow merged into the IAMPF.   

 

[scorpion 2]

Why would our Frozen Pension be a leverage item? In the past the "Best Pension in the Industry" is what contributed to the lower wages and lackluster benefits. My fear is that it will be inthe contract talks at all. Let's leave the Frozen pension where it is, that leaves no opportunity for it to be negotiated away or somehow merged into the IAMPF.   

It's a leverage item because it's a responsibility for the company to keep it funded. They can use the trust as a tool to swap for contract items. The million dollar question is how much is it worth for them to dump it on the IAMNPF. If our trust is 2 billion under funded as 700 says (and I think his numbers are wrong) how much bait would the company use to get out from under it? By changing our pension guidelines to match the IAMNPF guidelines that deficit would be wiped out even with 700's figures. Why wouldn't the IAMNPF take it under that scenario?
The UAL and CAL mechanics have been in talks for years as I understand it and they even have the same union. So obviously getting a joint contract is not a high priority for newly merged companies.  So whats in it for the NEW American to give us anything or open the contracts? If the iam got zilch in section 6 what's different now? We have contracts in place and nothing but an olive branch to hand the company and hope they take it. Unless of course the twu puts our pension trust on the table as leverage to open talks. If there is a 2 billion dollar hole to fill and changing the pension guidelines will plug it than who will really be funding this contract?  

 

[Buck]

It's a leverage item because it's a responsibility for the company to keep it funded. They can use the trust as a tool to swap for contract items. The million dollar question is how much is it worth for them to dump it on the IAMNPF. If our trust is 2 billion under funded as 700 says (and I think his numbers are wrong) how much bait would the company use to get out from under it? By changing our pension guidelines to match the IAMNPF guidelines that deficit would be wiped out even with 700's figures. Why wouldn't the IAMNPF take it under that scenario?
The UAL and CAL mechanics have been in talks for years as I understand it and they even have the same union. So obviously getting a joint contract is not a high priority for newly merged companies.  So whats in it for the NEW American to give us anything or open the contracts? If the iam got zilch in section 6 what's different now? We have contracts in place and nothing but an olive branch to hand the company and hope they take it. Unless of course the twu puts our pension trust on the table as leverage to open talks. If there is a 2 billion dollar hole to fill and changing the pension guidelines will plug it than who will really be funding this contract?  

Ok, I see but I would rather have it dumped into my 401k.

 

[700UW]

It's a leverage item because it's a responsibility for the company to keep it funded. They can use the trust as a tool to swap for contract items. The million dollar question is how much is it worth for them to dump it on the IAMNPF. If our trust is 2 billion under funded as 700 says (and I think his numbers are wrong) how much bait would the company use to get out from under it? By changing our pension guidelines to match the IAMNPF guidelines that deficit would be wiped out even with 700's figures. Why wouldn't the IAMNPF take it under that scenario?
The UAL and CAL mechanics have been in talks for years as I understand it and they even have the same union. So obviously getting a joint contract is not a high priority for newly merged companies.  So whats in it for the NEW American to give us anything or open the contracts? If the iam got zilch in section 6 what's different now? We have contracts in place and nothing but an olive branch to hand the company and hope they take it. Unless of course the twu puts our pension trust on the table as leverage to open talks. If there is a 2 billion dollar hole to fill and changing the pension guidelines will plug it than who will really be funding this contract?  

My numbers are straight from AA and what they had to file under Federal Law.

 

[scorpion 2]

What does the IAM group want?