West Fa's working East routes.

[Travelpro72]

Since the DH greivance was settled we no longer have 4day trips that pay less that 20:00, 3 day 15:00 etc. You do have to file a claim to get the extra pay no credit. You are claiming the extra aren't you? Amazing how many people aren't. Any time you have a DH you need to check all rigs in the pairing.

The little catch that I have found is while it's great you get paid up to 5,10,15 or 20 for a trip for variable minimum, it is NOT pay credit. As a reserve your LTO is EVERYTHING. I'm glad to be paid for it (rightfully so) BUT I want it as credit. You do a 3day worth 13+48 and claim up to 15 your STILL in the 10.00 bucket. JUST went through this twice this month and last. Always a catch, aaaaaaaalways a catch.

 

[Pi brat]

The little catch that I have found is while it's great you get paid up to 5,10,15 or 20 for a trip for variable minimum, it is NOT pay credit. As a reserve your LTO is EVERYTHING. I'm glad to be paid for it (rightfully so) BUT I want it as credit. You do a 3day worth 13+48 and claim up to 15 your STILL in the 10.00 bucket. JUST went through this twice this month and last. Always a catch, aaaaaaaalways a catch.

You got that right. It's a pain for blockholders with SAP, because the computer only sees the published value and sometimes will not let you use the trip.

 

[Travelpro72]

Now that the grievance was won I just don't understand to improve relations why they don't just publish them as 5,10,15 and 20 for 1,2,3 and 4 day trips. Scheduling makes it so difficult for us and ultimately themselves. If I worked claims I'd want this corrected. Many are catching on to option 23.

 

[USCREW]

Now that the grievance was won I just don't understand to improve relations why they don't just publish them as 5,10,15 and 20 for 1,2,3 and 4 day trips. Scheduling makes it so difficult for us and ultimately themselves. If I worked claims I'd want this corrected. Many are catching on to option 23.

Most people just won't claim them. On my last trip, I asked if anyone was claiming and they said...uh I dunno...so I said, "Well, do you WANT ME TO PUT YOUR NAME ON MY CLAIM"?...uh, okay...

 

[Pi brat]

Now that the grievance was won I just don't understand to improve relations why they don't just publish them as 5,10,15 and 20 for 1,2,3 and 4 day trips. Scheduling makes it so difficult for us and ultimately themselves. If I worked claims I'd want this corrected. Many are catching on to option 23.

The reason I was given was that the company and ALPA had already signed off on 100% pay and credit for DH in the new combined agreement and it was too expensive to reprogram the computers now and then. In other words, the company is saving tons of money because many people don't file the claims!

I flew a 3 day redeye the other day worth 4:27 in paper. Two of the F/As didn't know we could claim up to 11:30. I always file for everyone, then tell them how for the future.

 

[N109UW]

As a rsv, who averages about 45 hours per month, claiming the extra doesn't do a whole lot. Most rsv's I fly with feel the same way. It's not like we are claiming 45 hours. Either way, i get the money through min. guarantee or if I claim it. No difference.

 

[Pi brat]

As a rsv, who averages about 45 hours per month, claiming the extra doesn't do a whole lot. Most rsv's I fly with feel the same way. It's not like we are claiming 45 hours. Either way, i get the money through min. guarantee or if I claim it. No difference.

Huh? I thought all pay no credit went on top of your guarantee, that is how it works for pilots.

 

[N109UW]

Huh? I thought all pay no credit went on top of your guarantee, that is how it works for pilots.

If that is so, why would a rsv want to push for full pay credit on DH's? We don't get our time in anyway, so we would rather have the half pay above guarantee.

 

[Pi brat]

If that is so, why would a rsv want to push for full pay credit on DH's? We don't get our time in anyway, so we would rather have the half pay above guarantee.

You wouldn't. I thought the two reserves working with me the other day said it was that way for them too, guess I was wrong.

 

[WCT]

What I mean by "vield threats" is that the West are so afraid of the East (once contracts are combined) coming in and taking all the "good lines" ... one wants to make it "sound" sooo bad that no Easties will want to come west. But THEY can't wait to get to the East. Some have bought homes and are now commuting back to the West to go to work.

I AM a West FA furloughed from the East. I hear y'all every day complaining and griping about cutbacks in our new contracts (which haven't even been ratified). How AWA "acquired" US and how the West (FAs) got jipped on seniority They call the East all kinds of names and are just bitter.

Go to the AFA 66 board and they again are yacking it up about seniority and the "acquisition" giving out misinformation.

And it is VERY rare to see those transcon turns in open time available to anyone. The "Cartel" only share amongst themselves.

I mean really let's move on here h34r:

You know. It seems the furloughed fa's that have come out west are the most negative and bitter people I've worked with, or talked to. Your post I am responding to is a perfect example.
You guys wear your East uniforms, hopeing not to get caught, because you think your cool? Sorry, you stick out like a sore thumb, but I guess that is your intention.

You made the choice to come out west, so stop your whining.

 

[Travelpro72]

For a reserve your scheduled D/H is pay NO credit which means it goes ABOVE your guarantee. In a perfect world with a perfect system standard full pay/credit would work. That is how it ALWAYS was before the change to this. With this current reserve system in place it should be to the reserves choice to claim it above their guarantee or adjust their LTO. If you are close to timing out you should be able to do so. It could be the matter of minutes to time out.

 

[N903AW]

You know. It seems the furloughed fa's that have come out west are the most negative and bitter people I've worked with, or talked to.

Personally, I've had quite the opposite experience and have thoroughly enjoyed flying with those who took the recall to the West. I hope they find a niche in Arizona and decide to stay at our domicile when a single contract is ratified.

 

[WCT]

Personally, I've had quite the opposite experience and have thoroughly enjoyed flying with those who took the recall to the West. I hope they find a niche in Arizona and decide to stay at our domicile when a single contract is ratified.

I have had good experiences too 903. Most are actual East crews on my flights, on hotel vans, etc. I was directly responding to his/her post as being negative and bitter towards west crews.

 

[N109UW]

For a reserve your scheduled D/H is pay NO credit which means it goes ABOVE your guarantee. In a perfect world with a perfect system standard full pay/credit would work. That is how it ALWAYS was before the change to this. With this current reserve system in place it should be to the reserves choice to claim it above their guarantee or adjust their LTO. If you are close to timing out you should be able to do so. It could be the matter of minutes to time out.

Now that is funny. Timing out. What is that. You know, at the old US Airways, we could do that, on company time, without actually having to give up any of our precious days off up.. Not in CLT. Percentagewise, only a very small amount of rsv's get there time in(and I mean very small). Getting your time in does not mean breaking guarantee of 73 hours. Alot of people have settled as though that is the benchmark now. Used to be, timing out meant 80+ hours. I haven't seen that, on company time, since OCT 2003. AFA, I HOPE YOU ARE READING THIS. LET ME KNOW IF YOU ARE HAVING TROUBLE COMPREHENDING IT.

 

[WCT]

Now that is funny. Timing out. What is that. You know, at the old US Airways, we could do that, on company time, without actually having to give up any of our precious days off up.. Not in CLT. Percentagewise, only a very small amount of rsv's get there time in(and I mean very small). Getting your time in does not mean breaking guarantee of 73 hours. Alot of people have settled as though that is the benchmark now. Used to be, timing out meant 80+ hours. I haven't seen that, on company time, since OCT 2003. AFA, I HOPE YOU ARE READING THIS. LET ME KNOW IF YOU ARE HAVING TROUBLE COMPREHENDING IT.

I am just curious? On the East can you pick up trips and work as much as you want? Or is there a cutoff? Out West we can work unlimited hours, as long as we don't work over a 7day period. Meaning we can pick up personal trades and work a 90-120+ schedule. As a line, block holder are you limited? That would really suck on the West side. We have many senior people working 130 flight hours a month. Not kidding!! I guess there is one good thing with the West contract, unlimited flying!