West Fa's working East routes.

[hp_fa]

How many times a month would you need to do a one day PHX/LAS - East Coast round trip to get 100 hours?

Jim

11 or 12.

 

[hulagirl]

I'm not sure I understand this.....why would anybody B/H or RSV WANT 22 days off a month....that paycheck would be poverty level! Most people I fly with in PHL fly 100-105+ hours every month just to have a paycheck.....that includes Reserves who pick up trips from the ETB on their days off. It's not as easy as it used to be but for me and most people I'm sure....it's all about having a decent paycheck to bring home every month! I'm not sure what classifies senior on the East anymore but I fly with every range from most junior to most senior on T/A trips....and 85-90 percent of them are high time fliers!

The senior's on the West hold schedules with 22-23 days off a month with around 80 hours, that's why! They pick up other trips to go up in hours.
High credit turn days+22 days off/month= less time at work!

 

[Whatnow?]

Like SJU and carribean? turns on the east side. Very few would move west to do one days to the east.

Not too sure about that....with all of the West Coast commuters based in PHL I think it would only be a matter of time for them to catch on to those kind of trips! The positive side would be that T/A in PHL will be a little more attainable for us peons!

 

[Itestwell]

YEP!Reminds me of the 25hrs girls

So you know me?

 

[missthe727]

727,

We don't have a 5:10 a day rig. Not sure where you heard that, but you were misinformed. Our pilots, on the other hand have 5:15 a day duty rig and any layovers 24 hrs or longer pay the 5:15 duty rig for that day. So a 4 day trip with only 3 days of actual flying as a result of a 24+ hr layover somewhere would pay the same as a 4 day trip with 4 days of flying. The company tries to get around this by scheduling 23:59 hr layovers.

Thanks for the clarification----that's the rumor over here. What does a red-eye pay for you on the West. Say it leaves at 18:15 at nite has 24 hrs + in the East and heads back to arrive in PHX/LAS around 0600 on day 3 ???
Just curious. THX

 

[USCREW]

I'm not sure I understand this.....why would anybody B/H or RSV WANT 22 days off a month....that paycheck would be poverty level! Most people I fly with in PHL fly 100-105+ hours every month just to have a paycheck.....that includes Reserves who pick up trips from the ETB on their days off. It's not as easy as it used to be but for me and most people I'm sure....it's all about having a decent paycheck to bring home every month! I'm not sure what classifies senior on the East anymore but I fly with every range from most junior to most senior on T/A trips....and 85-90 percent of them are high time fliers!

For many of us, it's not about the money anymore. After major paycuts, it doesn't make sense to work many more days for less pay. It's ridiculous. I enjoy flying but will not fly anymore than the minumum to keep my benefits. You can see that a number of F/As feel that way as evidenced by the endless pages of trips offered on the ETB--some with decent cash. OTOH, there are just as many willing to pick up the trips,and fly 170!

 

[WCT]

Believe me, if you could do West coast turns out of Philly And CLT you would!!
Work PHL-SAN-PHL, Monday and Tuesday. Off wed, thurs, fri, sat, sun??? That is 80 hours for the month!!! Add a two day or another turn and you are up to 90 hours!!
My whole frustration is we have 4 day pairings worth barely 20 credit hours and work these long days, SAN-CLT-SAN on one of the 4 days. Rarely do you see a 4 day worth 28 credits, with this type of flying all 4 days. Because our union agreed on the West to mix the 737 with the Airbus 319-20, our pairings are horrible. Lots of long layovers, and less credit. I want to go back to seperate pairings because they are not productive. :down:

 

[Furloughd4now]

Try PHL-SFO-PHL, OR HOW BOUT SAN-CLT-SAN, OR PHL-LAS-CLT, OR PDX-PHL-PDX, PBI-CLT-PBI-CLT-LAS-PHX??? All in one 13+ hr duty day, and less money!!
And we get to change pilots every leg, how does that sound???
Just to give you an example of our schedules on the good ole West side! Ready to move to the PHX HUB now??!!

Y'all voted it

FWIW ... can't get any transcon 1 day "turns", (ie. PHX-JFK) they go so senior. Talk about "Cartel". and those in the know, know what I am talking about.

Those long hauls as you posted are part of 4 day trips AND go junior. Seniors can't be bothered with working 4 days as referenced above (that's how they are built) so they call in sick.

Someone is just throwing veiled threats :down:

ps. the West has 20 hour 3 days

 

[WCT]

Y'all voted it

FWIW ... can't get any transcon 1 day "turns", (ie. PHX-JFK) they go so senior. Talk about "Cartel". and those in the know, know what I am talking about.

Those long hauls as you posted are part of 4 day trips AND go junior. Seniors can't be bothered with working 4 days as referenced above (that's how they are built) so they call in sick.

Someone is just throwing veiled threats :down:

ps. the West has 20 hour 3 days

What do you know?? Are you a west fa? The furloughed name has gotten me. And what are you talking about "veiled threats"? :huh:

 

[WCT]

Here's an example, not real:
Day 1
PHX-SJC-LAS-LAX-LAS 300 9:30 Layover
Day 2
LAS-ANC-LAS 319 11:40 Layover
Day 3
LAS-PHX-BUR-PHX-DFW 300 18:20 Layover
Day 4
DFW-LAS-DH PHX. 320
Home by 2am the 5th day!

This is about 26 credits, NOT AN ACTUAL PAIRING KEEP IN MIND. This doesn't include the 12+ duty days, sit time, and are usually less credit. Just an example. How bout East?

 

[Travelpro72]

Well lets see here. Here a good one:
Want bad productivity at it's best then try a 4day worth 17+30
Day 1
PHL-LAS
D/H LAS-CLT 10+47 overnight
Day 2
CLT-MCI 21+54 overnight
Day 3
MCI-CLT
CLT-SJU 17+10 overnight
Day 4
SJU-PHL DONE. 4days out on the road for 17:30

or you can try a glorious 757 trip
Day 1
D/H to BOS 12+30 overnight (what a waste of a day)
Day 2
BOS-CLT
CLT-CUN
CUN-CLT 12+32 overnight
Day 3
CLT-MCO
MCO-CLT
CLT-TPA
TPA-CLT
CLT-MCO 12+57 overnight (half dead)
Day 4
MCO-CLT
CLT-FLL
FLL-PHL Done pays 22+02
Now there are some that are worse and some that are better but there are a lot of trips similar to those I posted.

 

[cactusflyer]

Thanks for the clarification----that's the rumor over here. What does a red-eye pay for you on the West. Say it leaves at 18:15 at nite has 24 hrs + in the East and heads back to arrive in PHX/LAS around 0600 on day 3 ???
Just curious. THX

727,

We don't get premuim or night differential pay for red-eyes or minimum duty rig pay when there is a long (24+ hour) layover. Using JFK in your example lets say you check in at 18:15 fly one leg to JFK have a 24+hour layover and fly one leg home to PHX on day 3, that trip on the west would be worth approximately 10:30 credits. Give or take a few minutes since I'm not sure of the exact block time for PHX-JFK. This is why some of the senior people that can hold Hawaii lines, don't bid them because it's considered a 3 day, but the trip only pays approximately 12:30 credits. Low yield. Personally, I prefer high yield trips. I like to work as much as I can when I'm here and have more time at home. I do alot of turn days.

Wanted to add that if a west pilot did the above trip it would be worth approx 15:45 because THEY have a 5:15 minimun duty rig and that even applies to layovers that are 24 hours or longer. We, the FA's don't have that unfortunately.

Hope that answers your question.

 

[Pi brat]

Well lets see here. Here a good one:
Want bad productivity at it's best then try a 4day worth 17+30
Day 1
PHL-LAS
D/H LAS-CLT 10+47 overnight
Day 2
CLT-MCI 21+54 overnight
Day 3
MCI-CLT
CLT-SJU 17+10 overnight
Day 4
SJU-PHL DONE. 4days out on the road for 17:30

or you can try a glorious 757 trip
Day 1
D/H to BOS 12+30 overnight (what a waste of a day)
Day 2
BOS-CLT
CLT-CUN
CUN-CLT 12+32 overnight
Day 3
CLT-MCO
MCO-CLT
CLT-TPA
TPA-CLT
CLT-MCO 12+57 overnight (half dead)
Day 4
MCO-CLT
CLT-FLL
FLL-PHL Done pays 22+02
Now there are some that are worse and some that are better but there are a lot of trips similar to those I posted.

Since the DH greivance was settled we no longer have 4day trips that pay less that 20:00, 3 day 15:00 etc. You do have to file a claim to get the extra pay no credit. You are claiming the extra aren't you? Amazing how many people aren't. Any time you have a DH you need to check all rigs in the pairing.

 

[USCREW]

Since the DH greivance was settled we no longer have 4day trips that pay less that 20:00, 3 day 15:00 etc. You do have to file a claim to get the extra pay no credit. You are claiming the extra aren't you? Amazing how many people aren't. Any time you have a DH you need to check all rigs in the pairing.

What's amazing is how many people don't know HOW to do this!

 

[Furloughd4now]

What do you know?? Are you a west fa? The furloughed name has gotten me. And what are you talking about "veiled threats"? :huh:

What I mean by "vield threats" is that the West are so afraid of the East (once contracts are combined) coming in and taking all the "good lines" ... one wants to make it "sound" sooo bad that no Easties will want to come west. But THEY can't wait to get to the East. Some have bought homes and are now commuting back to the West to go to work.

I AM a West FA furloughed from the East. I hear y'all every day complaining and griping about cutbacks in our new contracts (which haven't even been ratified). How AWA "acquired" US and how the West (FAs) got jipped on seniority They call the East all kinds of names and are just bitter.

Go to the AFA 66 board and they again are yacking it up about seniority and the "acquisition" giving out misinformation.

And it is VERY rare to see those transcon turns in open time available to anyone. The "Cartel" only share amongst themselves.

I mean really let's move on here h34r: