Webcast Thoughts?!?
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PITbull
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I believe Dave did the right thing by bringing the company's message to the employees.MarkMyWords said:
The "plan" was not devised by the union or its leaders. This is a company "plan" and they need to tell the employees the expectation, and they did:
WE ARE GOING TO BE TRANSFORMED INTO LCC. Period.
WE, AS EMPLOYEES WILL DECIDE IF THIS "TRANSFORMATION" IS ACCEPTABLE, IF IT IS, WE WILL BASICALLY ABROGATE MANY SECTIONS OF OUR CONTRACTS, IF IT IS NOT, ARE VOTES WILL REFLECT AS SUCH.
Funny to hear NON-employees voice their desperation on employees need to do this or that ASAP. I guess they can't wait for us to subsidize their lower tickets while they rake in the frequent flying miles.
Where the bottom is no one knows. I look to see "regulation" of our industry sooner rather than later.
If these agreements do happen to go through, many employees that are experienced in handling and serving the public will leave. You get what you give and what you pay for. Plain and simple logic....
longing4piedmont
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Are we in an ill mood this evening? :unsure:PITbull said:
>>>I look to see "regulation" of our industry sooner rather than later.<<<
The airline industry would be a very healthy industry and there would be no percieved need for regulation if Darwinism of the industry was simply allowed to occur. Instead we have liberal bankruptcy laws allowing inept companies to recycle and government interference with guaranteed loans, both of which interfere with creating a healthy industry.
The airline industry would be a very healthy industry and there would be no percieved need for regulation if Darwinism of the industry was simply allowed to occur. Instead we have liberal bankruptcy laws allowing inept companies to recycle and government interference with guaranteed loans, both of which interfere with creating a healthy industry.
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Given the massive economic turmoil that has happened to the country I think the airline industry isnt doing that bad. Some of them are doing quite well. Personally, I would like to see fares higher rather than lower, provided something was provided of commensurate value to the higher fare. Also, JetBlue and Southwest have decent FF programs, in fact if I wanted to fly Southwest, I would love the program. The reality is that not enough people will pay the fares that used to get charged. It isnt going to be solved by the government regulating things either. People are already complaining that the government is interfering too much by providing loan guarantees. The government isnt going to step in and regulate $2200 JFK to LAX walk up fares. None of this gets better either.
Videoconferencing is getting a lot better and will continue to do so. As the hassles and fear of flying build more and more is getting done on the computer of on the phone. There wont be a white knight. Companies have to find a niche in the new reality. JetBlue has, Southwest has. US hasnt yet. But the old days of US are quite gone and will never return. That means US management has to do a number of things. They havent done any of them from what I can tell. But one of them is to cut costs. That doesnt mean lower wages necessarily, but it does mean more for the money paid. I think the majority of people who fly Southwest or JetBlue have a better view of their interactions with those carriers than do US passengers. Is US really getting a tangible benefit from its more expensive work force? People in PHL are delighted Southwest is arriving. Blaming people wanting lower fares and more benefits wont solve anything. If the competition is figuring out how to do it, US will have to do it as well to survive. The customer will look for who gives them the best value. To expect them to do anything else is pretty much fantasy.
Im not expecting anyone to subsidize me while I get below market fares or above market benefits like frequent flyer miles. That isnt the situation, however. What seems to be expected is that I will pay higher fares or get less service in order to subsidize employees at US rather than at AA, UA, JetBlue or Southwest. That isnt going to happen. Im not going to do it and no one else is either. US isnt competing against a view or itself, or against Dave or against its customers. It is competing against the other carriers.
Videoconferencing is getting a lot better and will continue to do so. As the hassles and fear of flying build more and more is getting done on the computer of on the phone. There wont be a white knight. Companies have to find a niche in the new reality. JetBlue has, Southwest has. US hasnt yet. But the old days of US are quite gone and will never return. That means US management has to do a number of things. They havent done any of them from what I can tell. But one of them is to cut costs. That doesnt mean lower wages necessarily, but it does mean more for the money paid. I think the majority of people who fly Southwest or JetBlue have a better view of their interactions with those carriers than do US passengers. Is US really getting a tangible benefit from its more expensive work force? People in PHL are delighted Southwest is arriving. Blaming people wanting lower fares and more benefits wont solve anything. If the competition is figuring out how to do it, US will have to do it as well to survive. The customer will look for who gives them the best value. To expect them to do anything else is pretty much fantasy.
Im not expecting anyone to subsidize me while I get below market fares or above market benefits like frequent flyer miles. That isnt the situation, however. What seems to be expected is that I will pay higher fares or get less service in order to subsidize employees at US rather than at AA, UA, JetBlue or Southwest. That isnt going to happen. Im not going to do it and no one else is either. US isnt competing against a view or itself, or against Dave or against its customers. It is competing against the other carriers.
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MMW do you honestly believe that?
Would you yourself ask Dave a question that you thought might be controversial or possibly put him on the spot during the web cast?
Whether the employees of U want to accept the fact or not, Dave's in a position of power and if he chose to he could make life very difficult for any one single employee that caused him any sort of embarrassment during his presentation.
I know it, you know it and the employees that attended the web cast knew it as well.
Actually, there was a F/A who was repremanded and suspended for confronting Dave on a Flight recently. It appears that he is not one to take critical comments well. After watching him, I would guess that he was sweating pretty profusely. He doesn't appear to be compfortable in his position. He almost looked like a little boy to me that would have really liked to be holding his Mommies hand for security. I bet he took a Zanax prior. 
longing4piedmont
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I wonder what he would do if he had to sit next to a cockroach like me. I would give up 50,000 miles and pay for first class seat for the opportunity to sit next to him on a transcon.ktflyhome said:
Better yet, Same offer and 100,000 miles for the chance with Ben. B) Can anybody arrange this?
MarkMyWords
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Cowboy -
Actually I do believe that. Dave is a big boy and if he had to answer tough questions, he better be prepared to do that. Do you think the people on wall street and in the board room tip-toe around him. Just because I am an employee doesn't mean I can't ask a question that he may not like. Same things happen at the road shows. You never know who you are going to get asking what type of questions or making what type of statements.
Actually I do believe that. Dave is a big boy and if he had to answer tough questions, he better be prepared to do that. Do you think the people on wall street and in the board room tip-toe around him. Just because I am an employee doesn't mean I can't ask a question that he may not like. Same things happen at the road shows. You never know who you are going to get asking what type of questions or making what type of statements.
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Just a side note here- this post has almost 15,800 hits. (Still nowhere NEAR the 21,278 hits on RATBOY's topic about the 737 sale.) I wonder what his thoughts on the meeting are.
colorado_cowboy
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MMW,
Dave *WORKS* for the BOD and as far as the people on Wall Street theres very little Dave could do to them if they put him on the spot as a matter of fact Im sure there's quite a few of those Wall Streeters that would love to do nothing more than to put him on the spot.
