US/UA Official Merger Thread II

[WhatBag?]

'Let he amongst you who is without a tuna burrito and wine in a plastic frathouse party cup cast the first stone'.

My friend, you don't have to sell me on how much US Airways sucks, but I for one am sick and tired of the UAUA employees hopping over here as if their airline is the Jesus Christ of the airline industry and as if somehow, some way they are immune from going right back into Chapter 11 or Chapter 7 for that matter. This is a company that has a supposed great business plan, a supposed great route system, a supposed great service for the high end business traveler and STILL bleeds money. Obviously, CAL with it's less than superior route system is doing something right.

UAUA IS a mess and to be honest and just as bad as US, if not worse. Incompetent management is incompetent management whether big like UAUA or small like US.

BTW, cut the tuna burrito BS!! We have never served such! Some of you LOVE to lie and exaggerate.

 

[Edward]

Oh, sorry, official comments by a bunch of idiots. That changes everything.

"A pilot called it 'toxic stew'. I think we should call this off."

This post just got the poster time off. Any one else want to be next.

 

[bofie]

Interesting perhaps coincidence...UA just changed its mileage accrual rule to conform to the changes that US made a few months ago. From July onward there will only be the actual miles flown that accrue; as opposed to a minimum of 500 miles credited for any flight <500 miles.

 

[usramperTPA]

Frontier will be also gone under along with USairways. Southwest is going to eat both USAir and Frontier up on the auction block. United will pull out of this ok without Usairways.


So it's best you just let the crude oil slowly put you out of business by fall. AA and SW and even United can pick up your shuttle routes. What does USairways have too offer in this deal? No prize winining routes for us. The slots who needs them we already fly NY and DCA.
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Did you just wake up from a 15 year coma? WN HAS BEEN eating EVERYONE's lunch in the east for over 15 years now, I.E. BWI, RDU, FLL, TPA, PHL, MHT(BOS), PVD, ETC,ETC. As far as the auction block, we have no equipment that WN wants, too many Airbus in the fleet now. As for slots,WN already flies into the lucrative secondary airports they desire.

And as far as the fuel crunch goes, are you gonna sit hear and tell us that UA has some amazing fuel hedging plan in effect and will be immune to the rising costs? Ua also does not have a ton of cash in the bank to weather the upcoming recession.

Lastly, US has 3 billion cash in the bank. UA would gain a very lucrative hub in PHL, think what you want of PHL, but it does generate upwards of 10% of US's revenue. UA could also benefit hugely from CLT, a very temperate hub with potential for S. America. CLT is a turn-key hub for any potential partner for US, it generates a huge amount of connecting traffic with its established infeed routes, making it a great location to compete with DL/NW. It is also in a temperate area of the country, minimizing weather impact. So, as far as anyone thinking US brings nothing to the table, think again, money in the bank, and money making hubs is all the investors will be looking at, not whether any of us thinks highly or not of the other carrier. It' just a business transaction to these people. If they see $$$$ in a merger between US and UA, it will happen.

 

[OTslave]

This post just got the poster time off. Any one else want to be next.

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[Itestwell]

Interesting perhaps coincidence...UA just changed its mileage accrual rule to conform to the changes that US made a few months ago. From July onward there will only be the actual miles flown that accrue; as opposed to a minimum of 500 miles credited for any flight <500 miles.

Told ya so. Others will follow. Be patient. I'll look forward to a 90 page thread on the UA board about how every FF is leaving and they will shut down by July.

 

[WhatBag?]

CLT is a turn-key hub for any potential partner for US, it generates a huge amount of connecting traffic with its established infeed routes, making it a great location to compete with DL/NW. It is also in a temperate area of the country, minimizing weather impact.

Not to mention a very low $1.90 cost per passenger. What other hub in America can beat that?

 

[Iheartflying]

Not to mention a very low $1.90 cost per passenger. What other hub in America can beat that?

Guys,
I don't know why we bother sometimes. We're the airline that everyone LOVES to hate. I think it's hilarious that some posters HATE US but yet they are here constantly. I know if I don't like something I'm not going to hang out around it all the time. That kind of behavior is just mind boggling. They should think about changing the name of the forum to the US bash board or something.

 

[WhatBag?]

Guys,
I don't know why we bother sometimes. We're the airline that everyone LOVES to hate. I think it's hilarious that some posters HATE US but yet they are here constantly. I know if I don't like something I'm not going to hang out around it all the time. That kind of behavior is just mind boggling. They should think about changing the name of the forum to the US bash board or something.

I agree! I know that the last few months can't make up for the last few years, but I HAVE seen positive changes. The bashing just gets old sometimes.

 

[N965VJ]

Told ya so. Others will follow. Be patient. I'll look forward to a 90 page thread on the UA board about how every FF is leaving and they will shut down by July.

Here ya’ go! 727 posts (and counting) about UA changing their mileage accrual policy at FT:

Link

 

[Ignacio]

Told ya so. Others will follow. Be patient. I'll look forward to a 90 page thread on the UA board about how every FF is leaving and they will shut down by July.

Actually, reading the thread on Airliners.net, many seem not to care. And the ones who don't think it's US Airways fault and how much US Airways suck and how US Airways should go down. <_<

But God forbid when US Airways made the decision... Many were tearing into US Airways like there was no tomorrow. But when United does it, it's no big problem...

When other airlines cut routes, it's right sizing and its a good move. But when US Airways does, its retrenching because it can't handle the competition and is about to go to Ch. 7.

Continental doesn't want to merge with United. Delta Didn't want to merge with United. US probably only wants to merge if Parker gets top position.

And if people really think United will kick US out of Star, God, your silly emotions over a piece of metal that flies in the air are getting in the way of rational thinking.

one of Lufthansas most profitable routes is Charlotte. I'm sure Iberia or British Airways wouldn't mind getting some of that. Phildelphia would also help pump traffic to Madrid and Barcelona for Iberia [much needed in my opinion].

If Continental goes to Oneworld, Oneworld doesn't get much that American doesn't have. Unlike US Airways who can penetrate the Southeast and Northeast market more superior. And also, OneWorld with US Airways could steal more traffic to Latin America because Charlotte would probably be much quicker to connect in as opposed to flying out to desert cowboy land.

 

[AIRBORN1]

Because in THAT hypothetical situation of a UA CH11, CAL would ditch tons of debt and get the whole ball of wax for pennies on the dollar. It would change the entire essence of the deal. CO would out bid US in a heartbeat. You should try to look at things more objectively. Understand that US is a "last choice" scenario for United. ANYTHING that changes the current dynamics opens up new prospects for CO to step in again. Just look at current reports of US/UA talks cooling off. (probably the result of something changing behind the scenes.)

But let's not get ahead of ourselves.

now we are talking! The scenes are changing again as they did back on April 27 when CAL stopped the merge. Everone knew that they would be back talking in a month. Remember the words that the CEO used to its employees. No merge on this date at this time. slowly wording it that the complex could change on another day. It makes sense that CAL would be coming back at UAL either in a ALLIANCE like AIR FRANCE and KLM and later merge down the road
when things get better for all carriers and some bad carriers are out of business. My bet is that USAIR is over again with Union's stopping the deal.

USAIR went into BK and HP bought them out. They didn't go under.. SO why can't UAL do the same and merge with CAL with no debt during BK.
It would be the perfect merger after all. The scenes are changing as we speak. The fuel is going to 130 now and this makes more sense now to congress .

 

[AIRBORN1]

Actually, reading the thread on Airliners.net, many seem not to care. And the ones who don't think it's US Airways fault and how much US Airways suck and how US Airways should go down. <_<

But God forbid when US Airways made the decision... Many were tearing into US Airways like there was no tomorrow. But when United does it, it's no big problem...

When other airlines cut routes, it's right sizing and its a good move. But when US Airways does, its retrenching because it can't handle the competition and is about to go to Ch. 7.

Continental doesn't want to merge with United. Delta Didn't want to merge with United. US probably only wants to merge if Parker gets top position.

And if people really think United will kick US out of Star, God, your silly emotions over a piece of metal that flies in the air are getting in the way of rational thinking.

one of Lufthansas most profitable routes is Charlotte. I'm sure Iberia or British Airways wouldn't mind getting some of that. Phildelphia would also help pump traffic to Madrid and Barcelona for Iberia [much needed in my opinion].

If Continental goes to Oneworld, Oneworld doesn't get much that American doesn't have. Unlike US Airways who can penetrate the Southeast and Northeast market more superior. And also, OneWorld with US Airways could steal more traffic to Latin America because Charlotte would probably be much quicker to connect in as opposed to flying out to desert cowboy land.

What are you talking about? USAIR doesn't even have a foot into south america or central america. SO what can CLT do for South America. GRU is already going to 777 out of IAD because the loads are profitable and RIO is coming back in sept because its a money maker. who is USAIR going to get routes from if UNI calls off any merge with USAIR. USAIR is nothing compared to UNI on Asia and South America and Europe hubs.
You people seem to think UNITED is in trouble. IF we were in trouble why is TILTON Playing hard ball with this merge and making PARKER
take a side seat with his career in this merge. You didn't see this with DELTA. Delta didn't merge with UNITED because at the time... TOO MANY overlaps
NW was a better deal. I still say CAL and UNI will do ALLIANCE just like AIR FRANCE AND KLM and years down the road merge when economy and crude oil makes sense. YOU FORGET DELTA DIDN"T WANT YOU EITHER BECAUSE OF ALL THE MORAL WITH HP. c'mon give me a break. UNITED ROCKS

 

[Art at ISP]

Regarding the comment about the 500 miler, UA apperas to have only done it to align with US. When US announced the change UA made an announcement that code share flights on US metal would still accrue the 500 mile minimum. The change can only be interpreted as an alignment of programs to coincide with a POSSIBLE merger. It could also be a repeat of the same ill advised move made by US.

There is little if any potential savings afforded by the elimination of the 500 mile minimum. All it does is further tick off the HIGHEST yield customer base, those who contribute significantly higher RASM's than any other group. If they want to reduce mileage liability, stop giving miles for non airline related business transactions. That solves that problem right away.

Overall, I do not think this merger is going to happen-there is too much opposition from outside, as well as from within. Unfortunately for my friends at UA, absent a major management shakeup SOON, I see another CH 11 and the selloff of assets, in which case both US and CO might gain some valuable parts of the UA network.

Then again I am no expert....whatever makes NO sense in this business is likely to happen anyway........

 

[elixir]

What are you talking about? USAIR doesn't even have a foot into south america or central america. SO what can CLT do for South America. GRU is already going to 777 out of IAD because the loads are profitable and RIO is coming back in sept because its a money maker. who is USAIR going to get routes from if UNI calls off any merge with USAIR. USAIR is nothing compared to UNI on Asia and South America and Europe hubs.
You people seem to think UNITED is in trouble. IF we were in trouble why is TILTON Playing hard ball with this merge and making PARKER
take a side seat with his career in this merge. You didn't see this with DELTA. Delta didn't merge with UNITED because at the time... TOO MANY overlaps
NW was a better deal. I still say CAL and UNI will do ALLIANCE just like AIR FRANCE AND KLM and years down the road merge when economy and crude oil makes sense. YOU FORGET DELTA DIDN"T WANT YOU EITHER BECAUSE OF ALL THE MORAL WITH HP. c'mon give me a break. UNITED ROCKS

Might I suggest you step over to your UAL thread for your incessant cheerleading? Please. We on this thread have USAirways issues to deal with. You on UAL thread have your UAL issues to deal with...I'd bet very few of "us" are over on your thread "flexing" like you are here.

Staying on topic as it relates to the title of the thread would be helpful, rather than using it as a podium to bash USAirways.

Give it a rest.