US/UA Official Merger Thread II

[nycbusdriver]

USAIR went into BK and HP bought them out.

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WRONG!!!!

 

[cltrat]

What are you talking about? USAIR doesn't even have a foot into south america or central america. SO what can CLT do for South America. GRU is already going to 777 out of IAD because the loads are profitable and RIO is coming back in sept because its a money maker. who is USAIR going to get routes from if UNI calls off any merge with USAIR. USAIR is nothing compared to UNI on Asia and South America and Europe hubs.
You people seem to think UNITED is in trouble. IF we were in trouble why is TILTON Playing hard ball with this merge and making PARKER
take a side seat with his career in this merge. You didn't see this with DELTA. Delta didn't merge with UNITED because at the time... TOO MANY overlaps
NW was a better deal. I still say CAL and UNI will do ALLIANCE just like AIR FRANCE AND KLM and years down the road merge when economy and crude oil makes sense. YOU FORGET DELTA DIDN"T WANT YOU EITHER BECAUSE OF ALL THE MORAL WITH HP. c'mon give me a break. UNITED ROCKS

LOL this is laughable,get off your UA high horse and get back to US when you're not dropping 550 mil a qter and the only hard ball Tilton is playing to make sure his golden parachute is lined to float away into the sunset

one thing about US when we do poorly in a performance or customer group, we can usually count on UA being at or below US so head back to your forum and continue your fantasy world there please

 

[InternationalShannon]

LOL this is laughable,get off your UA high horse and get back to US when you're not dropping 550 mil a qter and the only hard ball Tilton is playing to make sure his golden parachute is lined to float away into the sunset

one thing about US when we do poorly in a performance or customer group, we can usually count on UA being at or below US so head back to your forum and continue your fantasy world there please

 

[Itestwell]

Here ya’ go! 727 posts (and counting) about UA changing their mileage accrual policy at FT:

Link

Thanks! I guess I should go look for the "no more free snax in Y thread" on the UA and NW and AA boards there too, and then I can move on to the $25 bag charge that all the majors matched as well! I love a good dramedy!

And everyone here thought it was juuuuuuuuust gonna be good ole USAir that nickeled and dimed yinz to death.......

 

[Richard]

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WRONG!!!!

For the last time, folks, WE'RE NOT EVEN GOING THERE.

The next comment, right or wrong, which even remotely appears like an insult to either an airline OR work group, and ESPECIALLY to an individual, gets the poster a week off, and COULD get the entire thread closed.

Enough already.... and no more warnings.

 

[robbedagain]

I for one hope there wont be a merger with UAL. For one, although the Bush Admin is most likely to be pro merger, I do have many doubts that they would allow US and UA to hook up due to the stong BWI-IAD-DCA markets and even the NYC markets too.

 

[whlinder]

I posted this in the CO forum but no one reads that so here it is again:

Conspiracy theory that hit my head last night:

AA and CO are "talking" about an alliance, which has been put out there publically.
CO is looking at all alliance options and blew off a UA merger because UA is weak.
CO and UA are also "talking" about an alliance.

Absent oil prices plumetting or a merger (which may not even be enough), UA looks like it may be filing for bankruptcy again fairly soon.

Perhaps the AA and CO talks are really about a joint bid for UA in bankruptcy with an orderly split of the company? (I mean after all, what kind of benefits are AA and CO going to get out of an alliance together?)

CO is probably gathering what it would take to join Star, which they could do after this transaction (kind of like how bankrupt US brought savior HP into Star).

AA takes LAX, ORD and IAD. CO takes DEN and SFO. Fleets would be a mess, but each would have the national and international route system they want. CO gets their alliance. The country gets to 3 major international carriers (DL/NW, AA, CO). Key slots and route authorities get apportioned equally (CO gets 3 China flights from SFO, AA gets 3 from ORD/IAD, NRT slots get split, more LHR slots would probably have to go to CO, DCA/LGA slots divided up, etc). Everybody is happy, unless they work for UA. Or have to integrate the new fleets (yuck).

 

[767jetz]

First you say...

I for one am sick and tired of the UAUA employees hopping over here as if their airline is the Jesus Christ of the airline industry and as if somehow, some way they are immune from going right back into Chapter 11

Then you say...

UAUA IS a mess and to be honest and just as bad as US, if not worse. I

I certainly never claimed that UA is without problems. But I am sick and tired as well of the US posters being so quick to raise the "Let's take over UA when they're in BK" flag every time a quarter report comes out or the price of oil rises. Seems to be enough harassment coming from both sides. So please don't act so innocent and play the victim, and try taking a collective look in the mirror.

The fact is, merger talks seem to be cooling a bit. And there is plenty of opposition to such a deal from both sides. (For different reasons of course.) So let's just hope cooler heads prevail and this merger idea dies permanently.

 

[Low&away]

It matters little what pilot's think about a possible merger. There is no historical reason to fear us. We have consistently and willingly absorbed the brunt of poor decisions and negative economic events. Pensions have been given and taken. Wages have been slashed. We are not much of a consideration in the grand scheme of things. Now it's oil, therefore mergers. We have been marginalized and we have earned it. Parker is Lorenzo with good beside manner and Tilton is no better. So blow on if you choose but we Pilots are not a consideration. ALPA stopped being a union a long time time ago................

 

[Justme]

An initial attempt by Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.) to derail the Delta Air Lines merger with Northwest Airlines has fallen short, but it may be a catalyst for a fresh lobbying push from merger opponents.

Politico Story Here

Hmmmm......Mongo, why would a senator from Montana be interested in a little town like Atlanta?

mmmm......Mongo no know, Mongo just pawn in game of life....but think it has something to do with choo choo...

The questions is, does UA/LCC have a "Sen Baucus" waiting in the wings? And if so, who might it be? Hmmmmmm.......

 

[FlyUs]

First you say...



Then you say...



I certainly never claimed that UA is without problems. But I am sick and tired as well of the US posters being so quick to raise the "Let's take over UA when they're in BK" flag every time a quarter report comes out or the price of oil rises. Seems to be enough harassment coming from both sides. So please don't act so innocent and play the victim, and try taking a collective look in the mirror.

The fact is, merger talks seem to be cooling a bit. And there is plenty of opposition to such a deal from both sides. (For different reasons of course.) So let's just hope cooler heads prevail and this merger idea dies permanently.

You may also want to hope that UA doesn't end up in BK by years end and half to start selling assets. Before you reply, I know US is in the same position. The only reason I'd like to see a merger, not just with UA, is so capacity can be reduced and the airlines can once and for all become profitable for more than a year. Jobs may have to be lost but it's better than the entire company being shut down. Good luck

 

[Bill Brasky]

You may also want to hope that UA doesn't end up in BK by years end and half to start selling assets. Before you reply, I know US is in the same position. The only reason I'd like to see a merger, not just with UA, is so capacity can be reduced and the airlines can once and for all become profitable for more than a year. Jobs may have to be lost but it's better than the entire company being shut down. Good luck

Not taking sides here, but if experience teaches us anything, all that will happen if US/UA begin capacity reductions is that someone else will fill the gap. When U went backrupt the first two times, they parked a lot of airplanes. Delta and SW grew faster than they could park 'em. JB, VA and others are just waiting for that to happen.

 

[Fly]

Jobs may have to be lost but it's better than the entire company being shut down. Good luck

Not really.

(I just can't do party cups in international first.) :blink:

 

[767jetz]

It matters little what pilot's think about a possible merger. There is no historical reason to fear us. We have consistently and willingly absorbed the brunt of poor decisions and negative economic events. Pensions have been given and taken. Wages have been slashed. We are not much of a consideration in the grand scheme of things. Now it's oil, therefore mergers. We have been marginalized and we have earned it. Parker is Lorenzo with good beside manner and Tilton is no better. So blow on if you choose but we Pilots are not a consideration. ALPA stopped being a union a long time time ago................

Speak for yourself. You are defeating yourself before you've even tried to stand up to management. I'm gad you're not on our side.

Try telling your story of helplessness to the UA pilots of 1985, who stood up to Ferris and won, for the good of not just United but the profession as a whole.

There IS strength in unity.

 

[WhatBag?]

I certainly never claimed that UA is without problems. But I am sick and tired as well of the US posters being so quick to raise the "Let's take over UA when they're in BK" flag every time a quarter report comes out or the price of oil rises. Seems to be enough harassment coming from both sides. So please don't act so innocent and play the victim, and try taking a collective look in the mirror.

Cut the "collective" stuff! Call those you are talking about out! I have seen maybe 4..maybe..who actually DO that! I agree with you about a few posters, but you seem to paint all for a handful. I simply don't like that. Anyone, and I mean anyone, who thinks any of us can continue like this with oil prices the way they are need to get a clue. Either many airline employees will go under without mergers or a few less will a merger.

This is a major crisis. I no more no the answer than anyone else, but I do know commerce is in jeopardy and we airlines are a huge part of commerce.