US Pilots' Labor Thread 4/28-5/5--NO PERSONAL REMARKS

[EastUS]

On the basis of an unscientific sampling of about 0.075% of Captains...

Jim

Addendum: Add this to your "unscientific sampling": Cleardirect: "I do not plan on denying the jumpseat with one exception. If he plans on returning. After hearing Sulley today, that man is not welcome on any flight deck that I have responsibility for."

I guess that "99%" out west is dwindling somewhat?

 

[nic4us]

QUOTE (BLT @ May 4 2009, 10:30 PM) *
If you cannot set aside your differences in the interest of safety, then you are not a professional pilot and have no business being in the cockpit of an airliner.

I agree completely. Now...kindly explain again, to all reading here, exactly why the west "pilots" routinely deny jumpseat travel to east pilots????

"Routinely" may not have been the appropriate word when referencing all West pilots. Apparently there are individuals who "routinely" deny east request, and I am not sure what can be done about them. Also, their anger or paranoia or whatever makes them do it, may not subside in the future.

I recently carried an east commuter home to Phoenix on the jumpseat. Asked him if he had been denied and he said no and that he was aware it was happening on both sides but it had not happened to him yet. He went on to say everyone has treated him just fine.

I have a way to break down some barriers, and mitigate your concerns of intermixed crews. How would you feel if your next sim partner for training was Nic4us?

 

[N924PS]

Horse-hockey..and completely fantasized "statistics". All I can say is the only time I tried to ride west metal, I was denied transport...PURELY from being an east pilot, with NO other discussion whatsoever. On the other hand...I've afforded rides to a number of west pilots. Know what you're talking about before talking..."99%" of the west affording jumpseat priveledges = My arse.....I guess I just "got lucky"..and found that only 1 in a hundred west person then? Give it up. Nonsense is nonsense.

I stand by my statement. It's a small percentage on each side.

 

[pilotn79]

You should say hi if you are there this week. I generally sit on the right side and have a yellow legal pad with me for my notes.

I actually don't bite....

Judge Wake discourages cell phone use, eating and biting.

I'll probably be there Thursday or Friday. Look for you then , HP.

 

[Phoenix]

Fellow pilots,

My name is David Schoppaul, and I am asking for your support as I seek to serve in the office of USAPA President. I was hired by America West Airlines in October of 1990

Does the goat video producer have audacity?

 

[ussnark]

.... the company's loss due to combined synergies is $200 million.

This was from an announcement from tempe talking about combining the two operations, way back when. I don't pretend that this number is close or even that it means what we think, being that many such are targeted "ads" supporting a "narrative", whether true or not. I retrieved it because when we throw numbers derived from management around, IMO, it pretty much places any such discussion into fairy-tale land.

and for BB.

$10 million per year synergies hardly seems to constitute a reason for merger, being at least an order of magnitude low, as you implied. However, taking such a risk for just a 1 in 7000 cost savings could be possible considering how the board blew half a billion on a roll of the dice, buying into derivatives like they did.

 

[john john]

had the Nicolau award been significantly more favorable to the East that both the West would have accepted it

I agree with you 100% the arbitrator did not do his job (split the baby)

 

[BoeingBoy]

and for BB.

$10 million per year synergies hardly seems to constitute a reason for merger

If I implied that $10 mil was the entire synergy savings from the merger I apologize. That is the figure that Parker has stated remains to be captured by fully integrating the pilot groups. Originally, the total synergy from integrating all the operations was said to be $400 million and much of that has been realized - combining facilities, combining purchasing, combining over half the work groups, etc. Even the pilots and FA's are flying a number of "the other side's" routes.

So while I take Parker's claim of $10 million in remaining employee synergies with a large grain of salt, I doubt that the actual figure is 20 times that. Plus, as I said, much of the pilot synergies can still be tapped if Parker decides to play hardball.

Jim

 

[Freighterguynow]

East has lost, and continues to lose, pay parity with the West plus 3%. West continues to lose 3%.

What good are pay rates when hundreds of unemployed West pilots come east, take your job and kick you to the curb?

 

[exB717Flyer]

Does the goat video producer have audacity?

Audacity of Hope.
He got my vote. (And yes, I know him personally.)

 

[cleardirect]

I agree with you 100% the arbitrator did not do his job (split the baby)

Shoulda, woulda, coulda. Nicolau could have done a lot of things.

East pilots should have could have done a lot of other things also. Like move from your position during the time that movement is required. Negotiation, mediation, arbitration. You did not. The east pilots should have accepted the decision after it was released. You did not.

But that is all history. It is now up to nine people and a judge what the east is going to do next.

 

[ussnark]

Plus, as I said, much of the pilot synergies can still be tapped if Parker decides to play hardball.

I did not see your comment but assume you had some examples in mind?

I wonder if he realizes that him playing "hardball" could result in costly "backlash".

 

[electricjet98]

hp fa, going to the proceedings today?

 

[electricjet98]

I did not see your comment but assume you had some examples in mind?

I wonder if he realizes that him playing "hardball" could result in costly "backlash".

"Backlash" by individuals as opposed to a unified force will be quickly dealt with. Face it; there is no unity or even hope of unity with the Cleary Clan.

 

[Glucose Intolerant]

A lot of what goes on here are silly games. All of us are affected as well as a bunch of families. Yes, I do mean east and west together. We are in this together and the weak sister of all the major airlines. We have a lot of debt, we are the lowest paid and we have a poor management team. There is a lot of work ahead of us.

make that THE POOREST MANAGEMENT TEAM


Couldn't have said it any better.