US Pilots Labor Discussion 8/25- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[Black Swan]

Ames,

The point is that ALPA merger policy was followed. There is no arguement to put forth that would negate that fact.

Here are a couple more facts.

The company is a signator of the TA that mandates the use of ALPA merger policy as the method for combining the seniority lists of AAA and AWA. The process was completed with the presentation of the Nic to, and the company's acceptance of the award.

The company considers the TA as a binding contract and has been held to its clauses both in the TA 10 min block hour grievence, and the arbitration involving the out of seniority furloughs. Likewise, they will be held accountable for breach of contract if they abet usapa in any seniority redistribution.

usapa has nothing more than a failed premise proposed by a union busting law firm. The self proclaimed "expert" of labor relations and the RLA needs to go back to law school and get some remedial on contracts and good faith. No worries, that schooling is coming his way "shortly".

This post reminds me a lot of the interaction the esteemed Bill Wilder had with Mitch Vasin. Well documented in the RLA Labor Blog. Vasin, a former AWA pilot had the temerity to try and engage Wilder on the RLA, and the Wake Court. Wilder clearly had a grasp of how far off Wake had steered from course. Black and white labor issues. Vasin was clearly in over his head, stating the former AWA pilots had a case and had actually won. Wilder, absolutely firm in his convictions and knowledge, schooled Vasin in how the AWA pilots actually had a loss couched in their supposed victory. True to form, Wilder was shown to be the one with absolute knowledge of the RLA, and Vasin the amateur in totally over his head. ROACLT again affirms this. Who knows, could ROACLT be Wilder? Either way, both have shown time and again their mastery of the RLA, and have been absolutely right on the way the 9th would rule. The AWA pilots every time, were off the mark. Every time, the former AWA Phoenix Law school dilettantes have been brought up on their leashes each time they lunge. Too bad it has cost the ones who believed over 2 million......

 

[Freebird]

"Exactly two?" You forgot the big third one. The one where you elect a new representative entity that negotiates seniority. To use the former is to perpetuate the former. The former is gone.

If its so easy to do, then why hasnt Usapa put out a contract yet with DOH?

Oh I know, I know, pick me !! Pick me !! It's because it would be considered a RIPE DFR.

Can you have Seham represent me vs. my Mortgage bank? I'm going to change my name. That should do it. I wont have to live up to my obligations. Cool, that was easy. Maybe I'll change my name to Mike Cleary. He can take over my payments with the money he's taking from your paycheck.

Thanks for showing your integrity-less intentions.

Usapa = Keeping the East pilots in the dark.

 

[luvthe9]

Ames,

The point is that ALPA merger policy was followed. There is no arguement to put forth that would negate that fact.

Here are a couple more facts.

The company is a signator of the TA that mandates the use of ALPA merger policy as the method for combining the seniority lists of AAA and AWA. The process was completed with the presentation of the Nic to, and the company's acceptance of the award.

The company considers the TA as a binding contract and has been held to its clauses both in the TA 10 min block hour grievence, and the arbitration involving the out of seniority furloughs. Likewise, they will be held accountable for breach of contract if they abet usapa in any seniority redistribution.

usapa has nothing more than a failed premise proposed by a union busting law firm. The self proclaimed "expert" of labor relations and the RLA needs to go back to law school and get some remedial on contracts and good faith. No worries, that schooling is coming his way "shortly".

Here comes the re-write and the total lack of knowledge. Easy to make all these statements. Too bad the Ninth totally refutes it. Honestly, how can the west pilots be so naive that they forgot what actually came out of the Ninth? To make a statement such as this is a total denial of reality.

 

[luvthe9]

Ames,

The point is that ALPA merger policy was followed. There is no arguement to put forth that would negate that fact.

Here are a couple more facts.

The company is a signator of the TA that mandates the use of ALPA merger policy as the method for combining the seniority lists of AAA and AWA. The process was completed with the presentation of the Nic to, and the company's acceptance of the award.

The company considers the TA as a binding contract and has been held to its clauses both in the TA 10 min block hour grievence, and the arbitration involving the out of seniority furloughs. Likewise, they will be held accountable for breach of contract if they abet usapa in any seniority redistribution.

usapa has nothing more than a failed premise proposed by a union busting law firm. The self proclaimed "expert" of labor relations and the RLA needs to go back to law school and get some remedial on contracts and good faith. No worries, that schooling is coming his way "shortly".

"Here are a couple more facts........" This was completely refuted by the Ninth and you know it. Here are a couple of lies would be more to the mark.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

"Here are a couple more facts........" This was completely refuted by the Ninth and you know it. Here are a couple of lies would be more to the mark.

Hey 9 want a great laugh the last AOL update! The part about the contract close out section( make stuff up as we go, ask KIRBY he basically refutes it) that we would have had a contract by now, man don't they still random test? MM!

 

[Freebird]

Here comes the re-write and the total lack of knowledge. Easy to make all these statements. Too bad the Ninth totally refutes it. Honestly, how can the west pilots be so naive that they forgot what actually came out of the Ninth? To make a statement such as this is a total denial of reality.

Thats funny. The Ninth said the case was not YET ripe. If you fail to Fairly represent the West, it will be Unquestionably RIPE.

This shouldnt matter to you though, because after all, you're in the top 517. Right?

Keep up the DOH with C & R's and it will be Unquestionably ripe. Additionally, if its a slam dunk for Usapa, where is the conract? Whats the delay?


Usapa = We really dont have any support.

 

[Freebird]

Hey 9 want a great laugh the last AOL update! The part about the contract close out section( make stuff up as we go, ask KIRBY he basically refutes it) that we would have had a contract by now, man don't they still random test? MM!

Lucky for you the random testing hasnt caught up to you. You do have to be of good moral character to hold an ATP. Do you still qualify?

 

[luvthe9]

Thats funny. The Ninth said the case was not YET ripe. If you fail to Fairly represent the West, it will be Unquestionably RIPE.

This shouldnt matter to you though, because after all, you're in the top 517. Right?

Keep up the DOH with C & R's and it will be Unquestionably ripe. Additionally, if its a slam dunk for Usapa, where is the conract? Whats the delay?


Usapa = We really dont have any support.

Another lie. They did not say it was not YET ripe in the context that it was just a bomb waiting to go off and hurt USAPA. They said it might NEVER be ripe. Your statement implies the minute USAPA proposes a deal, it is unquestionably ripe. The west pilots failure to grasp what constitutes ripeness and damage is embarrassing. Keep saving your money and making the stupid badge backers. The badge backer proves there is a sucker born every minute, and there is a lawyer available to separate you from your cash, again.

 

[Freebird]

Another lie. They did not say it was not YET ripe in the context that it was just a bomb waiting to go off and hurt USAPA. They said it might NEVER be ripe. Your statement implies the minute USAPA proposes a deal, it is unquestionably ripe. The west pilots failure to grasp what constitutes ripeness and damage is embarrassing. Keep saving your money and making the stupid badge backers. The badge backer proves there is a sucker born every minute, and there is a lawyer available to separate you from your cash, again.

Then whats the hold up? Get that DOH contract up for a vote.

Its truly sad that you think you and your East pilots career expectations trump any other pilots. Especially by the way you justify changing "union's" to attempt to get out of an agreement. An agreement that you freely entered. And plan to renege. Your character is showing and lacks values.


Your statement implies that Usapa is free to impose DOH on the West. I dont care how you package it, how you tweak the C&R's or how you justify your attempt to steal, it's not as easy as you think. Unfortunately for the East, your scheme has and will continue to fail. And in the meantime you are stepping over dollars in your pocket that you will NEVER get back. Parker says "Thank You".

Still waiting to see the East Resolve with a contract vote. Usapa's impotence is glaring.

Usapa = We control costs better than Doug Parker

 

[Black Swan]

Then whats the hold up? Get that DOH contract up for a vote.

Its truly sad that you think you and your East pilots career expectations trump any other pilots. Especially by the way you justify changing "union's" to attempt to get out of an agreement. An agreement that you freely entered. And plan to renege. Your character is showing and lacks values.


Your statement implies that Usapa is free to impose DOH on the West. I dont care how you package it, how you tweak the C&R's or how you justify your attempt to steal, it's not as easy as you think. Unfortunately for the East, your scheme has and will continue to fail. And in the meantime you are stepping over dollars in your pocket that you will NEVER get back. Parker says "Thank You".

Still waiting to see the East Resolve with a contract vote. Usapa's impotence is glaring.

Usapa = We control costs better than Doug Parker

If you feel that is the reason the East pilots left ALPA, that is your right. As one who voted ALPA out, it was a lot more than that.

 

[Freebird]

"The lawsuit was a complete loser, and likely would never gone to trial. " WOW just what the 9th circuit court of appeals said , maybe WAKE, HARPER and AOL should of had, that 2mill vision you know! MM!

Exactly how long have you been an FO?

Your lapdog comments are hilarious. Focus on the facts and you will find your answer.

Tread lightly my friend...


Usapa = We hold the record for AFO's

 

[Hate2fly]

This post reminds me a lot of the interaction the esteemed Bill Wilder had with Mitch Vasin. Well documented in the RLA Labor Blog. Vasin, a former AWA pilot had the temerity to try and engage Wilder on the RLA, and the Wake Court. Wilder clearly had a grasp of how far off Wake had steered from course. Black and white labor issues. Vasin was clearly in over his head, stating the former AWA pilots had a case and had actually won. Wilder, absolutely firm in his convictions and knowledge, schooled Vasin in how the AWA pilots actually had a loss couched in their supposed victory. True to form, Wilder was shown to be the one with absolute knowledge of the RLA, and Vasin the amateur in totally over his head. ROACLT again affirms this. Who knows, could ROACLT be Wilder? Either way, both have shown time and again their mastery of the RLA, and have been absolutely right on the way the 9th would rule. The AWA pilots every time, were off the mark. Every time, the former AWA Phoenix Law school dilettantes have been brought up on their leashes each time they lunge. Too bad it has cost the ones who believed over 2 million......

Swan,

The westies were told about the proposal by J. Freund and they didn't like what he was telling them. So what did they do? They dismissed him at Wye River. Big mistake for the west. Some one got spanked by Bill Wilder on the blog! The desert judge was going to take the west to the promise land. He got spanked by the 9th. Too bad.

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[Freebird]

If you feel that is the reason the East pilots left ALPA, that is your right. As one who voted ALPA out, it was a lot more than that.

I'll agree with you that ALPA failed everyone. However, your MAIN MOTIVATION was to circumvent the Nic. Anything else you state is total B.S.

You agreed to a process. You agreed to live with the results. You are now trying to find a way out, to help YOUR career, selfishly.


Usapa = We really dont know what we're doing. You decide. (oh that's right, we wont let you!)

 

[Black Swan]

I'll agree with you that ALPA failed everyone. However, your MAIN MOTIVATION was to circumvent the Nic. Anything else you state is total B.S.

You agreed to a process. You agreed to live with the results. You are now trying to find a way out, to help YOUR career, selfishly.


Usapa = We really dont know what we're doing. You decide. (oh that's right, we wont let you!)

The Nic was the final straw, the reason I threw the match to the pile of straw. The entire mess got swept up in the flames, including the abortion Nic. Burn baby burn!

 

[Hate2fly]

The Nic was the final straw, the reason I threw the match to the pile of straw. The entire mess got swept up in the flames, including the abortion Nic. Burn baby burn!

Hey Swan,

I wonder who gives the west the terrible legal advice? Is it the Ken Cooper wannabee Vasin? Is it the Army of Leotards? Aquaboy or Fergie or maybe even J. Mac? These guys will never learn.............they still think this is AWA/Mesa/Trans States. Gotta get to the next level.

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