US Pilots Labor Discussion 7/28- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[Metroyet]

Judge wake was crystal clear in his jury instructions that usapa was bound by the nic. Guess who will be hearing the companies complaint in all likelyhood? The Honorable Neil M.Wake. The eastie die hards like hate, luvthe9, black swan et.al can spin this latest development into all the "good news" they want but the fact is USAPA has never been in more trouble. Hence the promise to fight the company...fight what exactly? The company is looking for a scapegoat and the ninth failed to provide one now they're forcing the issue to get one

this is the endgame. USAPA is doomed and they know it. Seham knew it all along but why not suck millions of dollars out of the pockets of a bunch of angry rubes?

 

[Black Swan]

I have a letter signed by Parker accepting the Nicolau list. The transcripts say that the company accepted the Nicolau list. The company filing this week says in three different places that they accepted the Nicolau list. All you can point to is a letter designed to keep the east from breaking down as proof just because that letter does not say the accepted it. Read the legal documents. This is what the company is telling the court. This is what they are going to have to prove to the court.

A little note you do see where the company continually says that it was the east and west PILOTS involved with the transition and arbitration. I guess they don’t believe Seham either that it was just ALPA so it does not count. If they believed that it does not count they would not be in court asking this question.

What happened to the theory that the company HAS to accept whatever usapa puts in front of them for seniority? What happened to the company does not care who flies what seat? It sure looks like they care enough to spend a bunch of time and money not just accepting USAPA’s proposal.

P.S. Not once did the company call the Nicolau a “proposal” they called it the list. But what they did call a proposal was USAPA’s DOH seniority proposal.









Pretty clear. The company has accepted the Nicolau list, the company has NOT accepted DOH. Would you like to correct your statement? Maybe admit that you were wrong and Jettz was right.

 

[Black Swan]

Every reference in that long winded quote filled post was referenced to ALPA and the Company. This is why you never got the Nic. ALPA is no longer the bargaining agent. They company never implemented it because they had no legal grounds to implement an agreement with the former bargaining agent, the one which was replaced. They clearly understood that to agree with the former was to perpetuate it.

 

[Black Swan]

Judge wake was crystal clear in his jury instructions that usapa was bound by the nic. Guess who will be hearing the companies complaint in all likelyhood? The Honorable Neil M.Wake. The eastie die hards like hate, luvthe9, black swan et.al can spin this latest development into all the "good news" they want but the fact is USAPA has never been in more trouble. Hence the promise to fight the company...fight what exactly? The company is looking for a scapegoat and the ninth failed to provide one now they're forcing the issue to get one

this is the endgame. USAPA is doomed and they know it. Seham knew it all along but why not suck millions of dollars out of the pockets of a bunch of angry rubes?

Are you seriously going back to Wake after what happened to him? unbelievable. Wake means nothing anymore. It was a bad dream that cost the West hope and money.

 

[Hate2fly]

Judge wake was crystal clear in his jury instructions that usapa was bound by the nic. Guess who will be hearing the companies complaint in all likelyhood? The Honorable Neil M.Wake. The eastie die hards like hate, luvthe9, black swan et.al can spin this latest development into all the "good news" they want but the fact is USAPA has never been in more trouble. Hence the promise to fight the company...fight what exactly? The company is looking for a scapegoat and the ninth failed to provide one now they're forcing the issue to get one

this is the endgame. USAPA is doomed and they know it. Seham knew it all along but why not suck millions of dollars out of the pockets of a bunch of angry rubes?

Metro,

We would love to get in front of the desert judge one more time. We spanked all over him once and will do it again. Maybe we will bring our "best friend" along. This would be absolutely wonderful for USAPA. Bring on your desert judge and call fergie and agua with that crack legal team from the army!

Hate

 

[luvthe9]

Judge wake was crystal clear in his jury instructions that usapa was bound by the nic. Guess who will be hearing the companies complaint in all likelyhood? The Honorable Neil M.Wake. The eastie die hards like hate, luvthe9, black swan et.al can spin this latest development into all the "good news" they want but the fact is USAPA has never been in more trouble. Hence the promise to fight the company...fight what exactly? The company is looking for a scapegoat and the ninth failed to provide one now they're forcing the issue to get one

this is the endgame. USAPA is doomed and they know it. Seham knew it all along but why not suck millions of dollars out of the pockets of a bunch of angry rubes?

Captain Smith of the Titanic was crystal clear in his instructions on that fateful night...."Full speed ahead!!"

 

[Metroyet]

The Honorable Neil M. Wakes permanent injunction is still around the necks of your union. His opinion of USAPA is clear and AOL filed a petition to have the companies complaint remanded to his court room. You're right. It's Wonderful news for USAPA that Jugde Wake will be answering the same question for the company that he answered USAPA with via permanent injunction.

Yep. You guys are in control of everything.

 

[luvthe9]

I have a letter signed by Parker accepting the Nicolau list. The transcripts say that the company accepted the Nicolau list. The company filing this week says in three different places that they accepted the Nicolau list. All you can point to is a letter designed to keep the east from breaking down as proof just because that letter does not say the accepted it. Read the legal documents. This is what the company is telling the court. This is what they are going to have to prove to the court.

A little note you do see where the company continually says that it was the east and west PILOTS involved with the transition and arbitration. I guess they don’t believe Seham either that it was just ALPA so it does not count. If they believed that it does not count they would not be in court asking this question.

What happened to the theory that the company HAS to accept whatever usapa puts in front of them for seniority? What happened to the company does not care who flies what seat? It sure looks like they care enough to spend a bunch of time and money not just accepting USAPA’s proposal.

P.S. Not once did the company call the Nicolau a “proposal” they called it the list. But what they did call a proposal was USAPA’s DOH seniority proposal.









Pretty clear. The company has accepted the Nicolau list, the company has NOT accepted DOH. Would you like to correct your statement? Maybe admit that you were wrong and Jettz was right.

Pretty clear you did not get the fact that every reference to the Nic was the COMPANY AND ALPA! Thank you for making our case. How can they agree to the Nic when it was an ALPA agreement? This is laughable.

 

[cleardirect]

Every reference in that long winded quote filled post was referenced to ALPA and the Company. This is why you never got the Nic. ALPA is no longer the bargaining agent. They company never implemented it because they had no legal grounds to implement an agreement with the former bargaining agent, the one which was replaced. They clearly understood that to agree with the former was to perpetuate it.

But the undisputed facts in this case show otherwise. For more than three years,
US Airways has waited for the two pilot groups to resolve their seniority dispute. And,
during that time, US Airways has remained neutral, has accepted the Nicolau list when
tendered by ALPA, has not accepted or encouraged USAPA’s contrary “date-of-hire”
seniority demands,

Care to rephrase your "every" statement?

Notice the company said DEMANDS. Not arbitrated or negotiated but demand.

 

[Black Swan]

Care to rephrase your "every" statement?

Notice the company said DEMANDS. Not arbitrated or negotiated but demand.

USAirways has remained Neutral. How do you claim they accepted the Nic list (other than acceptance being the fact they had it delivered to them and signed for it) when they state they have remained neutral, and are waiting for the West and USAPA to resolve the issue? This is a statement of clarification. Had they accepted the Nic as you claim, they would have said it. They didn't . They KNOW they have to deal with USAPA, and want it made abundantly clear one last time, as they obviously see how the west ignores the 9th, and continues to sue, and misconstrue. It was abundantly clear that Wake was out of ripeness, and his court decision moot. It gets resurrected. Then the 9th comes along, clearly says the Nic does NOT have to be in it, and the West clear direct line then spins it again. Lets' wait for the court to make this finally clear to you one last time. You obviously don't know what was in the 9th, so I will be patient, just like I and others were when we told you Wake was out of bounds. Here we go again. Notice in your quote where it says the Nic came from ALPA? That is why they didn't take it as final and binding, and are waiting for the "two" pilot groups to resolve it. If the Nic was the final and binding way to resolve it, tell me why they did not implement it?

 

[767jetz]

Before it was even over, you asked repeatedly, "When is the damages trial???"

Also. The misinformation you spread is rampant. The latest-- When you stated the company ACCEPTED the Nic list.

Black Swan, your little personal jabs are entertaining, but I won't take the bait. I suggest you PM them to me from now on, unless you really like corn.

As for the misinformation you claim, you've been told by me and others, it is stated in several places in black and white. Read the filing instead of the cliff notes.

The "damages trial" question was asked by me exactly once. There may have been others, but not me. Obviously you know this already since you can't provide the proof. Perhaps you are trying to bait me again? Feel free to PM the question to me as frequently as you'd like. I'll gladly delete them.

Stop making comments aimed at or about other specific posters. If you have an issue with an individual poster take it to PM, do NOT post it here.

 

[cleardirect]

Pretty clear you did not get the fact that every reference to the Nic was the COMPANY AND ALPA! Thank you for making our case. How can they agree to the Nic when it was an ALPA agreement? This is laughable.

Section 29 was an ALPA agreement. Why am I still paying usapa?

The T/A was agreed to and signed therefore complete. That agreement set out certain ways of determining seniority. That seniority was completed when Nicolau released the list. The only thing not complete is a joint contract implementing that list. But does not make that list any less valid than when ALPA was on the property.

So laugh it up all you want. What did Parker say one day at the crew news. Every place that it says ALPA replace with USAPA. usapa inherits all of ALPA's obligations.

 

[snapthis]

Metro is right Seham is lining his pockets while giving USAPA supporters false hopes. I saw his performance as slick and deceptive, along the lines of a former president from Arkansas.

 

[Freighterguynow]

Part of the July 27th AOL update:
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[Black Swan]

Care to rephrase your "every" statement?

Notice the company said DEMANDS. Not arbitrated or negotiated but demand.

Re read what they said about them accepting the Nicolau list from ALPA. Again. Who did they accept it from? ALPA. They accepted it from the FORMER bargaining agent. How many times do we have to go over this? And if the accepted the Nic as final and binding, why then are they waiting for us to "resolve the seniority issue" Because they have to. Because it is an internal union affair, and we are resolving it. It was resolved by the 9th although you continue to re-write it. I am going to be patient , and wait for the court to come back and make it clear and direct one more time.