US Pilots Labor Discussion 7/13- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[luvthe9]

Anyone see the latest filing by the company? Interesting they are asking for clarification on the nic issue even though the 9 th said they weren't ruling in that.

I think the answer will be vague in the sense. They will say. Once a contract is ratified. Then they can rule whether it not there has been a lack of dfr. In the same time the company looks as though it's ready to get this thing done. It's blocking their parachutes attached to a merger

It looks like the company wants to wash thier hands of this mess. This should shut the West pilots down once and for all. I think Parker knows he is in big trouble, LOA 93 ruling with in 30 days, Spirt contract and our new alliance with the teamsters. Should be interesting.

 

[snapthis]

Agreed. Interesting developments to say the least.

 

[cleardirect]

It looks like the company wants to wash thier hands of this mess. This should shut the West pilots down once and for all. I think Parker knows he is in big trouble, LOA 93 ruling with in 30 days, Spirt contract and our new alliance with the teamsters. Should be interesting.

I think I will wait to read the filing before making a judgment about who the company is shutting down.

LOA 93 is going to longer than 30 days unless the arbitrator sees a clear winner. You all had better hope that the arbitrator takes a long time to decide.

 

[N924PS]

I think I will wait to read the filing before making a judgment about who the company is shutting down.

LOA 93 is going to longer than 30 days unless the arbitrator sees a clear winner. You all had better hope that the arbitrator takes a long time to decide.

The next court hearing this declaratory judgment could always say that USAirways management already has the approproate seniority list in hand, and has since ALPA delivered it.

The only clear winner since the merger has been USAirways management. They could not have scripted a more beneficial way keeping the pilot labor costs at bottom-of-the-barrell numbers while they attempted their consolodation moves.

 

[USA320Pilot]

US Airways Asks Court for Seniority Ruling

US Airways files Declaratory Judgment U.S. District Court in Phoenix (Judge Wake Again?)

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Regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[luvn737s]

DFR after ratification? Try it....I think it is a waste of money and time.

After a 50%+1 contract passes, I'd bet there are plenty of folks on both sides who would support a DFR if it meant another bite at a worm-free apple.

 

[luvthe9]

The only clear winner since the merger has been USAirways management. They could not have scripted a more beneficial way keeping the pilot labor costs at bottom-of-the-barrell numbers while they attempted their consolodation moves.

They did not script a thing, ALPA scritped it in the form of LOA 93 and you signed off on it, but those days will be over soon and I think the company knows it. But yes they have benefited for our low wages.!!!

 

[N924PS]

They did not script a thing, ALPA scritped it in the form of LOA 93 and you signed off on it, but those days will be over soon and I think the company knows it. But yes they have benefited for our low wages.!!!

We would have left LOA 93 long ago were it not for the formation of a new union. We could have had a industry standard contract if it had been accomplished the last time USAirways was a profitable airline.

Hopefully, USAPA doesn't blow it for us again while the company is making money.

And I didn't vote for LOA 93 for excactly the same reasons you didn't.

 

[luvthe9]

We would have left LOA 93 long ago were it not for the formation of a new union. We could have had a industry standard contract if it had bee accomplished the last time USAirways was a profitable airline.

Hopefully, USAPA doesn't blow it for us again while the company is making money.

And I didn't vote for LOA 93 for excactly the same reasons you didn't.

Yea, like I believe that Mr. "My money is on Doug Parker". AnD your dead wrong on the new union being the cause of the contiinuation of LOA 93 rates but if that's what you want to believe go right ahead.

 

[Crzipilot]

Hey quick question for you folks and then back to the war of words.

Has anyone compared the new Spirit Pilots contract to either of yours? I can't help but think after all this rancor, venom and bickering you now find your income below that of a 40 plane airline.

Haven't really looked at the whole contact. But have to look at more than just last year of contract top of scale to take in the whole picture of quality if life and such. Looking at other forums. Some if the fo's weren't to happy with some aspects of the contract

 

[luvthe9]

USAPA NEWS FLASH



US Airways Seeks Declaratory Judgment on Pilot Seniority Issue



Despite earlier proclamations that it would remain 'neutral' on the seniority integration issue and allow the pilots to resolve the seniority integration issue among themselves, the Company today, July 26, 2010, filed a federal lawsuit in Arizona seeking to obtain a declaratory judgment. The suit, which was filed without advance notice to USAPA, was assigned to Judge Roslyn O. Silver in Phoenix.

The action seeks conflicting declarations from the court: on the one hand that inclusion of the predecessor seniority list (Nicolau) would violate the RLA, and on the other hand that exclusion of it will not violate the RLA. In either case, the Company seeks a third declaration of immunity. By it, the Company seeks a declaration from a federal court that no matter how the seniority issue is resolved at the bargaining table, the Company should not be liable. In other words, the Company is seeking immunity.

The suit appears calculated to provide an excuse to hold up progress in bargaining. In the view of USAPA legal counsel, the lawsuit lacks merit and should be dismissed for lack of jurisdiction for the reasons articulated by the Ninth Circuit in its recent dismissal of the Addington action. Therefore, the Association will vigorously oppose this lawsuit, and upon further review will provide a more detailed analysis of the Company’s filing and other communications.

USAPA Communications

 

[767jetz]

US Airways Asks Court for Seniority Ruling

US Airways files Declaratory Judgment U.S. District Court in Phoenix (Judge Wake Again?)

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Regards,

USA320Pilot

Haven't seen you around these parts in a while. Just wondering what your thoughts on this mess are these days. Around here we mostly hear from the east hard liners, and we all know their opinion and bias. As an east pilot yourself, I'm wondering what you hear out on the line speaking to other east pilots about what USAPA is doing or planning?

 

[autofixer]

You guys are suckers...this is just a way for the management to ensure the seniority fight goes on and on; thus no contract negotiations and the continuation of LOA 93 and the current West contract. They are calculated and ruthless in their motives. You guys keep flying on time, single engine taxing and working 100 flying hours per month so Dougie gets his bonuses. Oh, and watch that APU usage, suckers!

 

[767jetz]

USAPA NEWS FLASH

Despite earlier proclamations that it would remain 'neutral' on the seniority integration issue and allow the pilots to resolve the seniority integration issue among themselves, the Company today, July 26, 2010, filed a federal lawsuit in Arizona seeking to obtain a declaratory judgment.

the Company seeks a declaration from a federal court that no matter how the seniority issue is resolved at the bargaining table, the Company should not be liable. In other words, the Company is seeking immunity.

That pretty much sounds to me like the company is trying to stay neutral. As many have said here, and is now confirmed by the company's actions, management knows they are still on the hook for having accepted the Nicolau list and for the transition agreement.

It is obviously not so cut and dry as many on the east would like to think. You can't blame management for not wanting to be drawn into a legal dispute of your own making as defendants themselves.

Looks like USAPA will be shelling out more legal fees long before the next DFR suit.

I wouldn't be so sure that this will "shut down the west once and for all." Some may just be in for a rude awakening. Very interesting indeed.

 

[luvthe9]

That pretty much sounds to me like the company is trying to stay neutral. As many have said here, and is now confirmed by the company's actions, management knows they are still on the hook for having accepted the Nicolau list and for the transition agreement.

It is obviously not so cut and dry as many on the east would like to think. You can't blame management for not wanting to be drawn into a legal dispute of your own making as defendants themselves.

Looks like USAPA will be shelling out more legal fees long before the next DFR suit.

I wouldn't be so sure that this will "shut down the west once and for all." Some may just be in for a rude awakening. Very interesting indeed.

Nice try on the spin wheel.