US Pilots Labor Discussion 6/20- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[BoeingBoy]

Oldie,

This one you got right. usapa is still under the injunction until the case is dismissed.

But the injunction wasn't issued for what...6 months or so after USAPA passed it's seniority proposal to the company? How long did it take Parker to accept the ALPA proposal?

Then there's this - as you say USAPA was/is under the injunction, not the company. The injunction doesn't prevent the company accepting USAPA's proposal, especially if the acceptance came before the injunction. The injunction only prevents USAPA from negotiating a contract containing that proposal. USAPA would have been able to negotiate the other sections of the contract, as they have been while under the injunction, while waiting for the legal process to work itself out.

So again, if Parker will accept any seniority proposal USAPA puts forward (meeting the criteria) why hasn't he done so. Two answers come to mind: 1) USAPA previous proposal didn't meet the criteria, and 2) Parker means that he'll accept USAPA's proposal if it passes legal muster and meets the criteria.

Jim

 

[oldiebutgoody]

But the injunction wasn't issued for what...6 months or so after USAPA passed it's seniority proposal to the company? How long did it take Parker to accept the ALPA proposal?

Then there's this - as you say USAPA was/is under the injunction, not the company. The injunction doesn't prevent the company accepting USAPA's proposal, especially if the acceptance came before the injunction. The injunction only prevents USAPA from negotiating a contract containing that proposal. USAPA would have been able to negotiate the other sections of the contract, as they have been while under the injunction, while waiting for the legal process to work itself out.

So again, if Parker will accept any seniority proposal USAPA puts forward (meeting the criteria) why hasn't he done so. Two answers come to mind: 1) USAPA previous proposal didn't meet the criteria, and 2) Parker means that he'll accept USAPA's proposal if it passes legal muster and meets the criteria.

Jim

The company HAS NEVER been required to use the NIC for ANYTHING. You can't DFR your company. In fact, under the RLA, you can't sue your company in items of contract interpretation, either. It would have to be a grievance and go through that process. Don't worry, LOS/DOH meets ALL legal requirements. Nobody would ask the company to do something illegal.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

The company HAS NEVER been required to use the NIC for ANYTHING. You can't DFR your company. In fact, under the RLA, you can't sue your company in items of contract interpretation, either. It would have to be a grievance and go through that process. Don't worry, LOS/DOH meets ALL legal requirements. Nobody would ask the company to do something illegal.

Just watched the latest PHX crew news DP he will accept any proposal on seniority after the litigation handed over! MM!

 

[OTTER574]

Just watched the latest PHX crew news DP he will accept any proposal on seniority after the litigation handed over! MM!

The company already ACCEPTED a list per the TA and it's called the George Nicolau award, proof by which is in a letter to all usairways pilots dated December 20th of 2007 signed by ceo doug parker. Copies of this letter have been and will continually be sent to lcc management to make sure they comply with the TA/CONTRACT.

Sorry, there will be no doh '99 windfall for you.

Two federal judges agreed with me that this case against usapa is RIPE. Two federal judges agreed that this case against usapa is not RIPE until usapa's scheme is in a ratified CBA.

Going forward, I like my odds on what the company has ACCEPTED.

Enjoy loa 93 for a long time.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

The company already ACCEPTED a list per the TA, proof by which is in a letter to all usairways pilots dated December 20th of 2007 signed by ceo doug parker. Copies of this letter have been and will continually be sent to lcc management to make sure they comply with the TA/CONTRACT.

Sorry, there will be no doh '99 windfall for you.

Two federal judges agreed with me that this case against usapa is RIPE. Two federal judges agreed that this case against usapa is not RIPE until usapa's scheme is in a ratified CBA.

Going forward, I like my odds on what the company has ACCEPTED.

Enjoy loa 93 for a long time.

OTTER, my man DEC 2007, watch the video, the company can change its negotiation stance as well as USAPA TILL A CBA is sent to ratify, nothing is closed,as for your T/A READ THE 9th, Excuse me but your 2 don't count, it aint cumulative!DOH 99 windfall, DOH is not a windfall! MM! flt attendants , mechs, ramp service,ALPA is not our CBA, LOA 93 long way to go, MDA, LOA93 pay griev, DID YOU WATCH THE VIDEO? What makes u think seperate ops and LOA 93 is a burden, heck more money would be great, but this company in it's present form will not survive or be sold with the PHX anchor attached! MM! THE COMPANY HAS ACCEPTED NOTHING UNTIL A CONTRACT IS RATIFIED!

 

[767jetz]

Are you married to a West Pilot? Thought so.

A SWING and a MISS! Oh God no! Having a both spouses in this industry is not my idea of security. No, she does much better than you or me. My only interest in this game is the precedent it sets, fairness, and a few friends on the west.

 

[OTTER574]

OTTER, my man DEC 2007, watch the video, the company can change its negotiation stance as well as USAPA TILL A CBA is sent to ratify, nothing is closed,as for your T/A READ THE 9th, Excuse me but your 2 don't count, it aint cumulative!DOH 99 windfall, DOH is not a windfall! MM!

So now according to you, doug parker has control over the union we hired to run our CONTRACTS against lcc? In the mean time MUTATIS MUTANDIS my man, please get a multi billion dollar corporation to agree with lee seham's/mike cleary's and steve bradford's scheme. The 9th didn't change anything except reset the DFR clock!

The TA is a contract between a hired union and a company and must be followed to the letter. NIC list is ACCEPTED by the company. Changing the name/sticker on the front door of the union office does not change this.

But then again, it may be fun watching doug parker, mike cleary and steve bradford walking hand in hand into a federal court room as co defendants again.

Enjoy loa 93 for a long time.

 

[cleardirect]

Just watched the latest PHX crew news DP he will accept any proposal on seniority after the litigation handed over! MM!

If you are so sure than contact your rep. Pass a resolution and demand that your union present that DOH list ASAP. Let's get on with it. Stop the delay let's all see just how much leverage usapa has at the table to get a contract. Let usapa prove what you all are saying that the company does not care what the seniority list is. It is time to perform.

Stop talking about what you won and prove what you think that you won. Demand some action from your pilot union.

I am tired of you telling us what your opinion is let's see what the facts are.

WWUD?

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

So now according to you, doug parker has control over the union we hired to run our CONTRACTS against lcc? In the mean time MUTATIS MUTANDIS my man, please get a multi billion dollar corporation to agree with lee seham's/mike cleary's and steve bradford's scheme. The 9th didn't change anything except reset the DFR clock!

The TA is a contract between a hired union and a company and must be followed to the letter. NIC list is ACCEPTED by the company. Changing the name/sticker on the front door of the union office does not change this.

But then again, it may be fun watching doug parker, mike cleary and steve bradford walking hand in hand into a federal court room as co defendants.

Enjoy loa 93 for a long time.

When did I say DP has control over USAPA( your words not mine) he is free to bargain for the CORP any way he feels , reset a DFR clock?, those NIC boys will have to get in line for their DFR, just like everybody else, The 9th (so far DID CHANGE THINGS) they told USAPA they are as free to bargain seniority as they are pay and working conditions, change the name sticker?(where are there 2,2MEC"s for ratification) very clear in the 9th's award! YOUR DREAMS OF THE HANDCUFF SCENERIO LENDS ITSELF , well fantasyfest in EYW might be a good venue for you! MM!

 

[oldiebutgoody]

So now according to you, doug parker has control over the union we hired to run our CONTRACTS against lcc? In the mean time MUTATIS MUTANDIS my man, please get a multi billion dollar corporation to agree with lee seham's/mike cleary's and steve bradford's scheme. The 9th didn't change anything except reset the DFR clock!

The TA is a contract between a hired union and a company and must be followed to the letter. NIC list is ACCEPTED by the company. Changing the name/sticker on the front door of the union office does not change this.

But then again, it may be fun watching doug parker, mike cleary and steve bradford walking hand in hand into a federal court room as co defendants again.

Enjoy loa 93 for a long time.

Dream on. You don't have a clue about how the RLA works. You must be pretty new to this business.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

If you are so sure than contact your rep. Pass a resolution and demand that your union present that DOH list ASAP. Let's get on with it. Stop the delay let's all see just how much leverage usapa has at the table to get a contract. Let usapa prove what you all are saying that the company does not care what the seniority list is. It is time to perform.

Stop talking about what you won and prove what you think that you won. Demand some action from your pilot union.

I am tired of you telling us what your opinion is let's see what the facts are.

WWUD?
What's the rush MV(multi visional)!Sounds like your impatient, prove what we think we won? ah youth is really wasted on the young! MM! You of all people should know the timeline of the legal system, as for the company PHX CREW NEWS, hey but his lips were moving! The facts oh anytime! DP was very CLEAR! I don't know but as for your BASE don't YOU have the ability to pass your own resolution heck your idea take charge be a LEADER! Be a delay breaker.

 

[Phoenix]

Just watched the latest PHX crew news DP he will accept any proposal on seniority after the litigation handed over! MM!

Agree.. the crew news was very enlightening about how Doug sees the whole dispute. No confusion at all. He isn't picking sides and has no problem with the 9th conclusion that the internal union dispute will work itself out to a conclusion.

He could not care less about Nic (or DOH), no matter how hard the audience at the crew news tried to get him to care.

Internal union dispute.

 

[OTTER574]

OTTER, my man DEC 2007, watch the video, the company can change its negotiation stance as well as USAPA TILL A CBA is sent to ratify, nothing is closed,as for your T/A READ THE 9th, Excuse me but your 2 don't count, it aint cumulative!DOH 99 windfall, DOH is not a windfall! MM! flt attendants , mechs, ramp service,ALPA is not our CBA, LOA 93 long way to go, MDA, LOA93 pay griev, DID YOU WATCH THE VIDEO? What makes u think seperate ops and LOA 93 is a burden, heck more money would be great, but this company in it's present form will not survive or be sold with the PHX anchor attached! MM! THE COMPANY HAS ACCEPTED NOTHING UNTIL A CONTRACT IS RATIFIED!

Now usapa is speaking for the company? And what do you call that young man?? I call it DFR.

''THE COMPANY HAS ACCEPTED NOTHING UNTIL A CONTRACT IS RATIFIED!"

usapa's dream couldn't be further from the truth!


Honestly, I hope this ABORTION called usairways does not survive because of pilots/people like MUTATIS MUTANDIS and a union called usapa. With the upswing, history shows that attrition happens every where. The west will enjoy attrition along with the east and the usapa mantra seperate ops, maybe some more % on the east but with a lot on the east attrition coming from the east angry fo's right seat, so not much difference.

I'm in my mid 40's with over 22 thousands hours and typed in the B747, MD11, B737, B757, B767, A320 with captain time on all but the first and the last stated. So if lcc does not survive, I don't think I'll have to go far looking for a well paying job.

PHX anchor attached??? uhmmm. How many sailors/airlines wanted the BANKRUPT usair TITANIC as a whole? Answer is NONE, ZERO, NADA, ZIP. Parker/kirby/lease holders made a big mistake IMO buying you. Two usair bankruptcy filings in less than 2 years can't be good unless somebody wanted to make a quick buck and merge that cluster F%%k before it sinks. With the current numbers coming out, you've to wonder how well this company will do if you on the east get your snapback grievance?

FYI, parker doesn't take a dump until he gets advice from legal and hired consultants. What other employee groups have AGREED TOO has nothing to do with this pilot group.

Going forward this will be decided in a COURT OF LAW!

In the mean time, enjoy loa 93

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Honestly, I hope this ABORTION called usairways does not survive because of pilots/people like MUTATIS MUTANDIS and a union called usapa. With the upswing, history shows that attrition happens every where. The west will enjoy attrition along with the east and the usapa mantra seperate ops, maybe some more % on the east but with a lot on the east attrition coming from the east angry fo's right seat, so not much difference.

I'm in my mid 40's with over 22 thousands hours and typed in the B747, MD11, B737, B757, B767, A320 with captain time on all but the first and the last stated. So if lcc does not survive, I don't think I'll have to go far looking for a well paying job.

Anchor attached??? uhmmm. How many sailors/airlines wanted the usair TITANIC as a whole? Answer is NONE, ZERO, NADA, ZIP. Parker/kirby/lease holders made a big mistake IMO buying you. Two usair bankruptcy filings in less than 2 years can't be good unless somebody wanted to make a quick buck and merge that cluster F%%k before it sinks. With the current numbers coming out, you've to wonder how well this company will do if you on the east get your snapback grievance?

FYI, parker doesn't take a dump until he gets advice from legal and hired consultants. What other employee groups have AGREED TOO has nothing to do with this pilot group.

Going forward this will be decided in a COURT OF LAW!

In the mean time, enjoy loa 93

I know it sucks to be wrong, but throwing a tantrum won't help. Really it won't.

 

[Phoenix]

I know it sucks to be wrong, but throwing a tantrum won't help. Really it won't.

Perhaps a tantrum is part of the process that occurs before the eventual acceptance of which Doug Parker spoke during the crew news.