US Pilots Labor Discussion 3/26- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[Black Swan]

BS,

As you can see from your own comment, this is why a decent contract will pass. Say that it won't a million times if you want, but you still have this comment in the same room. Clearly deep down, you know it too.


Flip

Flip, you need to listen carefully, or you are going to miss something. I am telling you the truth on the east mindset with regard to the contract.
First, we do not believe Parker will offer one, unless he needs something fast. Next- why would an east narrowbody capt. f/o or widebody f/o or jr. widebody capt hired in the early 80's take a contract that gives them a 20-30 buck an hr. raise- when that raise lets the next hundreds of west guys in on top of them?Forever. Then they NEVER move up. Why take it when you know there are already a bunch of guys in their early 60's who are going anyway, and you are getting the upward flow anyway, without the Nic?
Next, you have no incentive to do anything until the LOA 93 grievance gets decided, the 9th decision comes out. No reason at all. You buy yourself all the time you can, because you see nothing coming from the company, and the only thing that is going to make you move is a bunch of old guys leaving. Then you get the movement, and the raise without the NIC, without combining the two airlines, or anything.
In the meantime, the next best thing anybody can do, is fly their legally allowed minimum time, and maybe some of the junior guys will get back. That is the only thing we all can make happen at the present time.

 

[veritasaequitas]

So take the outrage somewhere else.

It appears quite a few of the West pilots are in need of anger management. Calm down.

 

[Flippin43]

No, I really don't think it will pass. I am being 100% honest with you. Freebird asked for a one on one exchange, I told him exactly what I think. My opinion only, of course.

BS,

If cleary & crew felt as confident as it seems you do, The east would be voting down a deal, any deal as you say, every other week to prove your point to us and everyone else. But there is one problem with that .............it might pass. east leadership both Alpa and usapa deep down know this is possible. hence no vote and not even a poll in 2 years.

Think about it! a union by pilots for pilots, gonna have input, gonna vote on just about everything important. A contract is important, yet each and every section has been reopened and negotiations on them has started with NO input from the "Line Pilot" Can you see the hypocracy in this. Can you see how the Co. can directly ignore the usapa men on the other side of the table claiming that "our pilots want this, they don't want that etc". Without any polling, how can they truly speak for us.


Remember,

Its not what they say...................."it will never pass"

Its what they do.............................No vote or even a poll

Deep down you know a decent contract will pass!

Flip

 

[cleardirect]

It appears quite a few of the West pilots are in need of anger management. Calm down.

I would call it frustration more than anger. Frustration at people that refuse to accept reality and facts. Frustration at people that fail to live up to agreements. Frustration at the delay caused by people that are costing us millions of dollar.

I could care less when you guys were just damaging your own careers but now you are effecting my career.

 

[Hate2fly]

Flip, you need to listen carefully, or you are going to miss something. I am telling you the truth on the east mindset with regard to the contract.
First, we do not believe Parker will offer one, unless he needs something fast. Next- why would an east narrowbody capt. f/o or widebody f/o or jr. widebody capt hired in the early 80's take a contract that gives them a 20-30 buck an hr. raise- when that raise lets the next hundreds of west guys in on top of them?Forever. Then they NEVER move up. Why take it when you know there are already a bunch of guys in their early 60's who are going anyway, and you are getting the upward flow anyway, without the Nic?
Next, you have no incentive to do anything until the LOA 93 grievance gets decided, the 9th decision comes out. No reason at all. You buy yourself all the time you can, because you see nothing coming from the company, and the only thing that is going to make you move is a bunch of old guys leaving. Then you get the movement, and the raise without the NIC, without combining the two airlines, or anything.
In the meantime, the next best thing anybody can do, is fly their legally allowed minimum time, and maybe some of the junior guys will get back. That is the only thing we all can make happen at the present time.

Black Swan,

That Father Time sentence in your other post was a beautiful thing! They will never understand. I was bored the other day and decided to listen to the 9th audio. Ripeness is a major problem for the westies. The heart doctor was really having issues.

http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/media/view_subpage.php?pk_id=0000004583

I am glad I took the time to listen again. USAPA's attorney did a wonderful job. Money well spent!

Hate

 

[cleardirect]

Black Swan,

That Father Time sentence in your other post was a beautiful thing! They will never understand. I was bored the other day and decided to listen to the 9th audio. Ripeness is a major problem for the westies. The heart doctor was really having issues.

http://www.ca9.uscourts.gov/media/view_subpage.php?pk_id=0000004583

I am glad I took the time to listen again. USAPA's attorney did a wonderful job. Money well spent!

Hate

If ripeness is such an issue and a slam dunk where is the ruling? Almost four months. What makes more sense wait because it is an easy ruling or taking a long time because it is ripe and a difficult crafting of language.

When the ninth comes back in favor of judge Wake will it still be money well spent? Will you still think that your lawyer did a wonderful job?

 

[cleardirect]

Clear,
I love ya man but you gotta learn about:

comma |ˈkämə|
noun
1 a punctuation mark (,) indicating a pause between parts of a sentence.

Sorry my public school education showing.

 

[Tiger 1050]

Sorry my public school education showing.

Scary thing is my 3rd grader brings home crap I don't remember ever learning! :huh: :unsure:

Maybe we could get EastUS in here to give us a proper grammar lesson...

 

[Real tired]

Nice. How long does that take?

Maybe 3 days. Plus or minus. About 10 shifts total.

285 was bought off by the feds, and should be going today, (Sat.).

284 should be bought off by the feds on Sunday or Monday. Don't quote me.

The 320 should be going in the next day or two as well.

 

[Black Swan]

BS,

If cleary & crew felt as confident as it seems you do, The east would be voting down a deal, any deal as you say, every other week to prove your point to us and everyone else. But there is one problem with that .............it might pass. east leadership both Alpa and usapa deep down know this is possible. hence no vote and not even a poll in 2 years.

Think about it! a union by pilots for pilots, gonna have input, gonna vote on just about everything important. A contract is important, yet each and every section has been reopened and negotiations on them has started with NO input from the "Line Pilot" Can you see the hypocracy in this. Can you see how the Co. can directly ignore the usapa men on the other side of the table claiming that "our pilots want this, they don't want that etc". Without any polling, how can they truly speak for us.


Remember,

Its not what they say...................."it will never pass"

Its what they do.............................No vote or even a poll

Deep down you know a decent contract will pass!

Flip

Flip, I just don't even hear one thing that indicates the company wants to do a deal. Nobody hears anything east. Do you sense they are going to offer one, or want to talk? They seem to be hunting down a merge. When Bular was heading to France, all he said was going around Tempe was the constant merger talk.

 

[700UW]

I just want to know what the pilots are going to do when the RLA steps are complete and the company imposes a new CBA? Funny how the die hards refuse to answer this question.

 

[nycbusdriver]

I just want to know what the pilots are going to do when the RLA steps are complete and the company imposes a new CBA? Funny how the die hards refuse to answer this question.

Well, as one whom you would probably count as a "die hard," let me answer your question.

It is YEARS away from that point, and no one can tell where we will be when/if the RLA steps are complete. If you were truly knowledgeable on union matters, you would have know that. But I digress.

No can can tell what any individual pilot will do. One of the fortunate/unfortunate things about airline pilots is that they all have opinions and they often are at odds. If you paid any attention to this thread, you would have known that, too. But I digress.

I can only answer for one pilot. That pilot will be with the union plan, whatever that is at the time of the end of the cooling-off period.

You want hard answers to questions that, unless you are willing to hear from 5500 pilots, cannot be answered. You should have known that, too.

Any more "insightful" questions?

 

[Black Swan]

I just want to know what the pilots are going to do when the RLA steps are complete and the company imposes a new CBA? Funny how the die hards refuse to answer this question.

How, as a stock clerk did you get such a hard on for pilots? I have never run into a stock clerk, and have no opinion either way about them. You, on the other hand, have some sort of complex. As far as what we do? You will find out when the time comes.

 

[cleardirect]

Well, as one whom you would probably count as a "die hard," let me answer your question.

It is YEARS away from that point, and no one can tell where we will be when/if the RLA steps are complete. If you were truly knowledgeable on union matters, you would have know that. But I digress.

No can can tell what any individual pilot will do. One of the fortunate/unfortunate things about airline pilots is that they all have opinions and they often are at odds. If you paid any attention to this thread, you would have known that, too. But I digress.

I can only answer for one pilot. That pilot will be with the union plan, whatever that is at the time of the end of the cooling-off period.

You want hard answers to questions that, unless you are willing to hear from 5500 pilots, cannot be answered. You should have known that, too.

Any more "insightful" questions?

The best and easiest way to hear from 5500 or closer to 3500 is to hold a vote and see what happens.

BTW Any clue when this new bargaining agent is going to even bring a T/A to a vote? 3-4-5 years? If they are unable to accomplish the basic function of a union what good are they?

 

[Black Swan]

The best and easiest way to hear from 5500 or closer to 3500 is to hold a vote and see what happens.

BTW Any clue when this new bargaining agent is going to even bring a T/A to a vote? 3-4-5 years? If they are unable to accomplish the basic function of a union what good are they?

I see no offer. In a minimum of 2 yrs. the east is going to have massive hiring. You would not believe how many guys are going soon. As soon as these guys start to go, I honestly see no reason to do any deal. We are all moving up. All positions open wide. East furloughees, you are coming back sooner than you think. I hope you west furloughed come on board soon.