US Pilots Labor Discussion 3/26- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[CallawayGolf]

Feel free to "opine". You won't change my mind. Logic and reason do not support your position.

Now that is really funny. An ALPA supporter thinking he is using logic and reason to justify USAPA’s actions. That would truly be a first.

Was it logic and reason that got USAPA found liable for a DFR?
Was it logic and reason that USAPA that had USAPA pursuing federal RICO charges which were dismissed with prejudice?
Was it logic and reason that caused USAPA to request a trial by jury which then returned a verdict against USAPA in less than two hours?
Was it logic and reason that caused USAPA to put Sully on the witness stand so that he could embarrass himself in demonstrating that he really knew nothing about the DFR case?
Was it logic and reason that sent Bradford out lawyer shopping as he searched for someone who would take his money in return for telling him what he wanted to hear? Was it logic and reason that caused him to reject sound legal counsel that told him he would lose a DFR suit if he pushed DOH under USAPA?​

This is really very funny.

 

[CallawayGolf]

No CBA, no VOTE. How you gonna keep me from crossing the picket line?

Answer: you won't.

I will not sacrifice my TIME for your wishes. PERIOD. As I said, I have just as many strong that you do. Strike and see what happens.

They can't order me to vote OR to not cross.

Winner: company. Nicolau means the end of our careers.

You can't convince me. The courts can't order me. The Company, listen carefully, won't PAY me.

We can't walk arm in arm as unionist if you cut off my legs.

Ergo, Good luck and see you on the flight line.

Happy Easter.

Pure emotion - that's more like it. Glad you gave up on the logic and reason you were professing earlier.

 

[Freebird]

I DO understand. YOUR side points out "labor-management" arbitrations. Jacobs arguing FAA is just one GREAT BIG example. This has to do with labor-labor, therefore you and I would be in agreement (what a surprize). DFR case occur all the time in management-labor cases where the union fails to represent one of it's member out of malice, for example. There are many DFR cases out there that prove this.



Don't bring NWA/DAL into the picture. NOT because they had an ARBITRATIVE PROVISION in their VOTED ON AND RATIFIED CBA, but because Delta has always had the habit of bullying and undermining the minority carriers and pilots they absorbed into their fold by pushing them to the bottom. Western, Pan Am, NWA, and all the other airline pilots like Piedmont, SWA and AAA justify it. Entice them with pay raises or threaten them with job losses if they either give up their time in service or devalue their time. You wish us to sever our time with the company like one would sever a limb to make us compatable. If that is what YOU want us to do, then you need to stick to reading the Merchant of Venice if you want to talk greed.

So since someone said our time in service is worth less than your's I guess it must be ok. Ever heard of the My Lai massacre? You may be too young.



Like your career "expectations" were that great anyway???
How many years have gone by so far in realizing your career expectations??
When do you think yuo WILL EVER realize your career expectations in the future???

Feel free to "opine". You won't change my mind. Logic and reason do not support your position.

Yawn.


You give yourself too much credit. ALPA policy was followed, sorry you didnt get your windfall. Should have came off your DOH stance earlier and the disappointment would've stung so bad.

 

[Black Swan]

Seniority being the only of value left.

You better get with you east brothers and get your story straight. We hear all of the time about what a money machine the east coast operation is. That it was the east that saved both places. Now you tell us that a 17 year junior reserve F/O has value.

The only thing usapa is preserving is your sad wages and working conditions.

Your statement about a 17 yr. reserve F/O says it all. Your arrogance and self promotion are what drive us to cut you off at the Balls.

 

[Black Swan]

Yawn.


You give yourself too much credit. ALPA policy was followed, sorry you didnt get your windfall. Should have came off your DOH stance earlier and the disappointment would've stung so bad.

I was cracking up today Freebird. Actually saw a truck with Wye River Crab Mounts on the side. What a peaceful little place. Love the Wye Oak. You guys should have settled up there. It was your GETTYSBURG! Third day to be exact. Got my bigass Delta 88 ready for you. Check your rearview.

 

[CallawayGolf]

I was cracking up today Freebird. Actually saw a truck with Wye River Crab Mounts on the side. What a peaceful little place. Love the Wye Oak. You guys should have settled up there. It was your GETTYSBURG! Third day to be exact. Got my bigass Delta 88 ready for you. Check your rearview.

Would that be like telling the blackjack dealer that you would like to stand on 16 after take a hit and pull a king?

Dealer: "26 busted"
East pilot: "No, wait I know the deal is over but now that I see that I got a king I would like you to agree to give me a better deal; let's just forget that whole 'hit me' thing I said a minute ago."​

It is an interesting world of delusions and narcissism you live in out there. I sure hope whatever you've contracted that causes fiction to become truth in your mind isn't contagious.

 

[nic4us]

The negotiators would have to come up with an outside-the-box solution to eliminate the financial disadvantage that Nicolau foisted on the east pilot group, especially the f/os who would have upgraded at some point, but now are precluded from ever doing that.

There is a problem with your arguement. The f/o's who would have upgraded but are precluded by the Nic? Just exactly who are these people? Do you mean the f/o's who would have never upgraded without the merger, the f/o"s who would never upgrade unless they could force seperate ops, or the f/o's who wished to force a DOH list and steal another pilots job?

 

[nic4us]

I can definitely say why my 24 years with US Airways and of never being furloughed should or would be worth less than five years of a West pilot under Nicolau.

My day at US Airways is equal to your day.

That's self-evident and logical. Just not to you and yours.

That should do it.

Well first you would have to tell us all how your 24 yrs put you next to a 5 year West pilot, cause it did not happen on the Nic.

 

[nic4us]

Feel free to "opine". You won't change my mind. Logic and reason do not support your position.

Nor do facts support yours.

 

[nic4us]

You guys should have settled up there. It was your GETTYSBURG! Third day to be exact.

Whatever you say.....General Lee.

 

[fatherabraham]

There is a problem with your arguement. The f/o's who would have upgraded but are precluded by the Nic? Just exactly who are these people? Do you mean the f/o's who would have never upgraded without the merger, the f/o"s who would never upgrade unless they could force seperate ops, or the f/o's who wished to force a DOH list and steal another pilots job?

Nic,
Those would be the obvious pilots many of you wish to step over for many insane reasons that have been pointed out a million times over.
Don't pretend ignorance.
No pilot, I repeat no pilot should advance past another over decisions mgt make.....good or bad.

GOT IT?

FA

 

[CallawayGolf]

No pilot, I repeat no pilot should advance past another over decisions mgt make.....good or bad.

GOT IT?

FA

Which is exactly what NIC was designed to mitigate. If you were in the top 20 percent pre-merger, your would be in the top 20 percent post-merger. That is fundamentally the fairest and most logical method of integrating two separate lists in the new and larger company. Good thing the NIC is the inescapable list going forward since it also makes the most logical sense and is unquestionably more fair than any DOH scenario.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Which is exactly what NIC was designed to mitigate. If you were in the top 20 percent pre-merger, your would be in the top 20 percent post-merger. That is fundamentally the fairest and most logical method of integrating two separate lists in the new and larger company. Good thing the NIC is the inescapable list going forward since it also makes the most logical sense and is unquestionably more fair than any DOH scenario.

What is it that you think US Airways is a "new" company???

 

[end_of_alpa]

Now that is really funny. An ALPA supporter thinking he is using logic and reason to justify USAPA’s actions. That would truly be a first.

Was it logic and reason that got USAPA found liable for a DFR?
Was it logic and reason that USAPA that had USAPA pursuing federal RICO charges which were dismissed with prejudice?
Was it logic and reason that caused USAPA to request a trial by jury which then returned a verdict against USAPA in less than two hours?
Was it logic and reason that caused USAPA to put Sully on the witness stand so that he could embarrass himself in demonstrating that he really knew nothing about the DFR case?
Was it logic and reason that sent Bradford out lawyer shopping as he searched for someone who would take his money in return for telling him what he wanted to hear? Was it logic and reason that caused him to reject sound legal counsel that told him he would lose a DFR suit if he pushed DOH under USAPA?​

This is really very funny.

Wasn't an ALPA supporter if I was in at the beginning of USAPA!!!

Still, the results are the same. No CBA, no vote, no "list".

That's the facts.

We can't agree, therefore we go our separate ways. See you on the flight line.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Nor do facts support yours.

How about this "fact": no CBA, no VOTE, no "list", no money, no upgrade (for you).

Have a nice day.