US Pilots Labor Discussion 3/26- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[hp_fa]

Is this the week for the decision from the 9th? I surely hope so.

BTW, a reminder to those who will be reading the decision, which will probably be 90% or more of you. It's OK to read the final result (in the first (few) and last (few) paragraphs) very fast, but legal writing is nuanced so go back and read the decision, or any decisions you may choose to read, VERY SLOWLY. One sentence at a time and understand it before moving on. (There is your free advice for the day.)

 

[cubfan]

Is this the week for the decision from the 9th? I surely hope so.

BTW, a reminder to those who will be reading the decision, which will probably be 90% or more of you. It's OK to read the final result (in the first (few) and last (few) paragraphs) very fast, but legal writing is nuanced so go back and read the decision, or any decisions you may choose to read, VERY SLOWLY. One sentence at a time and understand it before moving on. (There is your free advice for the day.)

HP,

What would make you think this week?

 

[oscarjazz]

HP,

What would make you think this week?

Yes, enquiring minds want to know.

 

[700UW]

This was part of the "pad" when you had the mechs. parking. They then had to check the logbook to justify them being there. Just like the 737 Flight engineers had to do the walk around, get the ATIS, and a few other jobs that were actually F/O jobs on any other jet. I am having a problem with the pilots at the airline being tagged as the cause of this pretty big shift in the way mechanics were used, or shall I say not used. It really made no sense when you were going up against any other airline. It was a dying practice. There were few or no other airlines with this many mechanics sitting around, waiting to park jets and check logs.

Gee never seen a flight engineer on a 737, where did he sit and perform his duties? Since the 737 is a two man crew unlike the 727 which was a three man crew, lol!

Guess you cant comprehend that NW, and Piedmont (only at like 7 stations) did R&D.

 

[luvn737s]

This was part of the "pad" when you had the mechs. parking. They then had to check the logbook to justify them being there. Just like the 737 Flight engineers had to do the walk around, get the ATIS, and a few other jobs that were actually F/O jobs on any other jet. I am having a problem with the pilots at the airline being tagged as the cause of this pretty big shift in the way mechanics were used, or shall I say not used. It really made no sense when you were going up against any other airline. It was a dying practice. There were few or no other airlines with this many mechanics sitting around, waiting to park jets and check logs.

You should use this argument to sell Doug on expanding the use of RJ's, or jettisoning scope altogether. You're a man ahead of your time! This might impact getting those furloughees back though

Mechanics were used for ground handling in the early days of jetways to ensure the doors were closed , so as to not rip them off, and to insert and remove steering pins.

Technology and experience has negated some of these requirements (i.e. the Supertug negates the need for brake riders), but there was a time when there was a legitimate need for their expertise.

 

[hp_fa]

HP,

What would make you think this week?

Nothing specific.

We have actually gone past the time frame in which I was expecting the opinion and I was generally on the conservative side of the estimates folks were making around the 12/8/09 oral argument.

This is still an ongoing, but stalled, trial court case and it is also an injunctive case, so the 9th should have some motivation to make sure that the opinion is not on the proverbial slow boat. I do subscribe to Cleardirect's thinking in that the longer this takes the more likely that the injunction will not be overturned because if the 9th were inclined to overturn the injuntion they would have done so by an Order and stated that the Opinion would follow. The rationale for that is that if the injunction is deemed to be wrong than lifting at the earliest possible time would have allowed USAPA to proceed with business as it saw fit without the injunction limiting its actions.

 

[Pi brat]

Gee never seen a flight engineer on a 737, where did he sit and perform his duties? Since the 737 is a two man crew unlike the 727 which was a three man crew, lol!

Guess you cant comprehend that NW, and Piedmont (only at like 7 stations) did R&D.

The 737 didn't have a F/E. ALPA wanted a 2nd officer on board, and many airlines, including PI operated it that way for while. The only pilot strike at PI was over that issue.

I cannot remember mech parking airplanes at PI, where was that? Jim, do you remember that?

 

[Freighterguynow]

And Judge Wake and Jury found USAPA guilty of a DFR to avoid the implementation of the Nic Award. Your group of losers is holding the entire pilot group, furloughed or not, hostage. For what? You airline was dead. You're right, your airline never would have seen oil prices at $81, you'd be gone.

Its not just the widebodies, its the whole package. Nicolau gave you a fence did he not? Watch the West dry up...keep dreaming, and while your at it, enjoy your snapbacks. what was the date 1-1-10?

The ratification part, at any time, will include the NIC.

Whatever.

You have no widebody jobs in PHX to offer the East yet demand to take those positions in East bases for yourselves.

Where do I vote NO?

 

[Freebird]

Whatever.

You have no widebody jobs in PHX to offer the East yet demand to take those positions in East bases for yourselves.

Where do I vote NO?

Demand? We arent demanding anything. They only demands were made by the East to their Merger Commitee, demanding DOH. Go read the prolific "Conditions & Restrictions" USAPA handcrafted as a sense of 'East Coast fairness' they hoped/hope to impose on the West. Nicolau gave your top 517 DOH and fences on the widebodies. He gave relative senoirity to the rest of us.

How many East pilots would love to "take a West coast domicile". Ask Mr. Integrity Sully, he would have taken PHX in a second.

You can vote NO, but in the meantime, ask Cleary to get a contract to vote on to measure your groups resolve.

 

[end_of_alpa]

Nothing specific.

We have actually gone past the time frame in which I was expecting the opinion and I was generally on the conservative side of the estimates folks were making around the 12/8/09 oral argument.

This is still an ongoing, but stalled, trial court case and it is also an injunctive case, so the 9th should have some motivation to make sure that the opinion is not on the proverbial slow boat. I do subscribe to Cleardirect's thinking in that the longer this takes the more likely that the injunction will not be overturned because if the 9th were inclined to overturn the injuntion they would have done so by an Order and stated that the Opinion would follow. The rationale for that is that if the injunction is deemed to be wrong than lifting at the earliest possible time would have allowed USAPA to proceed with business as it saw fit without the injunction limiting its actions.

OTOH, logic would prevail that, since contract negotiations are stalled anyway, NO CBA talks could prevail unless this issue was resolved. ERGO, the 9th is more than likely making sure the clerks leave NO STONE UNTURNED before they rule on ripeness. And NO WHERE IN THE HISTORY of RLA has any union incurred the DFR until AFTER the CBA was ratified and voted into existence. The appeals court in this case is trying to do a job that was sloppy at best in the trial court. I see two issues: Ripeness and the vote (attrition, per the judge). In short, YOU CAN'T MAKE ME VOTE FOR YOUR PROMISES!!

MY LOGICAL TAKE: "Reversed and remanded".

 

[end_of_alpa]

Gee never seen a flight engineer on a 737, where did he sit and perform his duties? Since the 737 is a two man crew unlike the 727 which was a three man crew, lol!

Guess you cant comprehend that NW, and Piedmont (only at like 7 stations) did R&D.

Piedmont had F/E's on the 737 for a few years until they were eventually eliminated in a later contract. Before my time, I was hired in March of 1987.

 

[Freighterguynow]

Ask Mr. Integrity Sully, he would have taken PHX in a second.

You can vote NO, but in the meantime, ask Cleary to get a contract to vote on to measure your groups resolve.

Bubba, he had a job in in PHX yet chose to retire.

Yes, I'll get right on Mike "to vote on our resolve"

Oh wait, that would require I care about you and your opinion.

Get lost...


Recall MC - go for it!

 

[nic4us]

Is this the week for the decision from the 9th? I surely hope so.

To be par for the course, it will come out on Thursday, 01 April.

 

[cubfan]

Nothing specific.

We have actually gone past the time frame in which I was expecting the opinion and I was generally on the conservative side of the estimates folks were making around the 12/8/09 oral argument.

This is still an ongoing, but stalled, trial court case and it is also an injunctive case, so the 9th should have some motivation to make sure that the opinion is not on the proverbial slow boat. I do subscribe to Cleardirect's thinking in that the longer this takes the more likely that the injunction will not be overturned because if the 9th were inclined to overturn the injuntion they would have done so by an Order and stated that the Opinion would follow. The rationale for that is that if the injunction is deemed to be wrong than lifting at the earliest possible time would have allowed USAPA to proceed with business as it saw fit without the injunction limiting its actions.

Thanks

 

[hp_fa]

Thanks

You're welcome.