US Pilots Labor Discussion 3/11- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[EastUS]

"Why didn't this work for the flight attendants, mechanics dispatchers, fleet service, passenger service, engineers"

Because their contracts with AFA, IAM, etc., dictate Date of Hire in mergers. ALPA does NOT.

Or, in other words; "Because we think we can get away with it....reason and fairness be damned!".

 

[cactusboy53]

CAL offers pilots the following: accept the terms of the richer labor agreement that governs aviators at Delta Air Lines Inc., plus a $1 an hour raise in pay rates.

USAPA told us it would only be SIX MONTHS to a new and better contract. The only parties that are getting richer is LCC, Seham & Co., and of course the USAPA officers that get the stipend on top of average flying wage. You go girls!!

 

[nic4us]

Why didn’t this work for the flight attendants, mechanics dispatchers, fleet service, passenger service, engineers

It did, the only group it didn't work for were the usapian's.

 

[nic4us]

For the East,

Why should someone who is Furloughed come back ahead of any active pilot?

Especially since BOTH groups' ELECTED LEADERSHIP AGREED to place ALL FURLOUGHED PILOTS BEHIND ALL ACTIVE PILOTS?

Freebird,

How do you know the negotiating leadership agreed to the furlough placement? I was told by the West committee that the first thing the east said was, how many of our furloughed guys get to go ahead of Odell, to which the reply was, how about zero. I never heard the east agreed to no furloughs jumping Odell. However, it would not surprise me, as their idea of who is furloughed and what constitutes being furloughed, changes as often as their "Gold Standard".

 

[cubfan]

CAL offers pilots the following: accept the terms of the richer labor agreement that governs aviators at Delta Air Lines Inc., plus a $1 an hour raise in pay rates.

USAPA told us it would only be SIX MONTHS to a new and better contract. The only parties that are getting richer is LCC, Seham & Co., and of course the USAPA officers that get the stipend on top of average flying wage. You go girls!!

I hope Kirby is paying attention............this would go back to 1/1/2010, the longer they wait the more it may cost them. Now that is assuming we lose loa93 pay restoration.

 

[Freebird]

Freebird,

How do you know the negotiating leadership agreed to the furlough placement? I was told by the West committee that the first thing the east said was, how many of our furloughed guys get to go ahead of Odell, to which the reply was, how about zero. I never heard the east agreed to no furloughs jumping Odell. However, it would not surprise me, as their idea of who is furloughed and what constitutes being furloughed, changes as often as their "Gold Standard".

Im referencing the Transition Agreement. Was is Jack Stephan, who at the time was the MEC Chairman for the East? He and his troop were party to the T/A. You know, the one that the East 'picks and chooses' what parts apply to them? Like separate ops....more like a dead end road.

Reneging on agreements as we see fit, the Usapa way.

 

[cltrat]

Im referencing the Transition Agreement. Was is Jack Stephan, who at the time was the MEC Chairman for the East? He and his troop were party to the T/A. You know, the one that the East 'picks and chooses' what parts apply to them? Like separate ops....more like a dead end road.

Reneging on agreements as we see fit, the Usapa way.

I have a question,when is this being heard by the Ninth?

not that it will solve anything but at least maybe you'll have new things to argue and speculate on

 

[nic4us]

I hope Kirby is paying attention............this would go back to 1/1/2010, the longer they wait the more it may cost them. Now that is assuming we lose loa93 pay restoration.

01-01-2010?

The West's contract became amendable on 30 december, 2006, and as an independent MEC, we served notice of intended change per our rights under section 6 of the RLA. Which by the way was later denied us, by usapa president Bradford. I have copies of both letters. Now, 3 years later, usapa seeks wholeheartedly to make gains for the east, on a trumped up LOA grievence, and we all know the reason is to further their abatement of the Nic, and continue their DFR behavior.

So, I would offer the same advice to usapa, the longer they wait the more it may cost them, but it is already going to cost them more than they can afford, because the clock started the day they were elected to persue a path of discrimination.

usapa is going to get absolutely clobbered in the damages trials.

 

[cltrat]

sorry Firebird didnt intend to quote you there

 

[hp_fa]

I have a question,when is this being heard by the Ninth?

It was heard back in early December. Now the wait is for the Opinion.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Could you be so kind as to explain exactly what the jury's findings were? You might want to throw in how long it took them to come to an agreement on those findings while you're at it?

Why don't you go ahead and do it? I know you are chomping at the bit to tell us all yet again for the umpteenth time exactly what went on in the desert judge's courtroom.

I'm not interested at all until I hear from the 9th Circuit.

But go ahead and tell us anyway. Get your jollies.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

I thought we had established who resembled a broken record.

Gotta laugh at the irony of YOU coming up with that response.

The only broken record is how you dodge the answer. But, you know I am right.

 

[cltrat]

It was heard back in early December. Now the wait is for the Opinion.

thank you hp fa and this could be anywhere from next week to 6 months from now?

 

[cactusboy53]

I hope Kirby is paying attention............this would go back to 1/1/2010, the longer they wait the more it may cost them. Now that is assuming we lose loa93 pay restoration.

Kirby isn't paying attention. He's counting all of the MILLIONS that LCC has saved as a result of USAPA's attempts undo the Nic. Parker & Kirby's play book will not include a signing bonus, retro pay or pay equal to our peers... unless of course we drop all of the FRUITLESS, HOPELESS litigation and work together toward a new contract together.

I really do hope you get your snap back, but I think it's more of a pipe dream (and oddly enough more time and money spent on questionable grievances and appeals).

 

[N905TW]

Why don't you go ahead and do it? I know you are chomping at the bit to tell us all yet again for the umpteenth time exactly what went on in the desert judge's courtroom.

I'm not interested at all until I hear from the 9th Circuit.

And when you DO hear from them, then what? Will you accept whatever they say or will you just cry unfair and belittle them if its not what USAPA wants to hear?

What names do you already have in store for them? Will they be a bunch of senile old men and women too? Biased California Judges? Three Stooges?