US Pilots Labor Discussion 3/11- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[cleardirect]

Misinformation that you would like the West pilots to believe.

The reason is that the court of appeals is the only appeal by right. Lose there and that's it. SCOTUS will grant injunctions when needed, ie death penalty cases, but the chances of USAPA getting the SCOTUS to enjoin the 9th would be zero.

I think what Aquagreen 73 means is the a party has a right to have their appeal heard by a circuit court. There is no such right to be heard by SCOTUS.

No misinformation just facts. If you have any proof or evidence that USAPA has a right to be heard at SCOTUS show us.

 

[nycbusdriver]

So the super senior are willing to maintain the status quo in order to deliver the merely senior (junior to the rest of the world) their entitled attrition? On the basis of what precedent do you suppose this would stand if a contract was presented for vote? Are the super senior just being protected from themselves by being denied a vote? The senior have thrown the junior under the bus for as long as buses have been available and will continue to based on past practice.

No, the contract will be provided with Nic in place and endorsed by USAPA. The senior (under USAPA provided cover) will vote with the West in the privacy of their own homes.

I can't say what day that will happen, but I'm sure there's a judge in Phoenix who knows what the limit of his patience is, and he could likely tell you.

As a "super senior," I must say you cannot be more wrong. Even "super senior" pilots know the difference between right and wrong, fair and unfair. We are also aware that seniority is about the only thing that can't be taken from us in bankruptcy, since we've had just about everything else taken away.

If the "super senior" wanted to throw the junior pilot under the bus, do you think USAPA would be in existence? Do you think it would remain in existence? Do you think that Cleary would be sitting quite comfortably in his office in CLT?

We, the "super senior," are in this for the long haul with all of our east colleagues. Get used to it.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Wow, oh wow.

Let's just say that if I said what I really think I would be in the cornfield.

Wow! I could say exactly that to almost every one of your posts, too.

 

[veritasaequitas]

I think what Aquagreen 73 means is the a party has a right to have their appeal heard by a circuit court. There is no such right to be heard by SCOTUS.

No misinformation just facts. If you have any proof or evidence that USAPA has a right to be heard at SCOTUS show us.

You think he means that. Well I am sorry I mistakenly went by what his quote was not but what he meant.

Aqua's quote, " Lose there and that's it. SCOTUS will grant injunctions when needed, ie death penalty cases, but the chances of USAPA getting the SCOTUS to enjoin the 9th would be zero.

I thought he meant, ". Lose there and that's it. SCOTUS will grant injunctions when needed, ie death penalty cases, but the chances of USAPA getting the SCOTUS to enjoin the 9th would be zero."

Thanks for clearing this up for us Clear.

 

[cleardirect]

As a "super senior," I must say you cannot be more wrong. Even "super senior" pilots know the difference between right and wrong, fair and unfair. We are also aware that seniority is about the only thing that can't be taken from us in bankruptcy, since we've had just about everything else taken away.

If the "super senior" wanted to throw the junior pilot under the bus, do you think USAPA would be in existence? Do you think it would remain in existence? Do you think that Cleary would be sitting quite comfortably in his office in CLT?

We, the "super senior," are in this for the long haul with all of our east colleagues. Get used to it.

Well obviously not.

Nicolau told you that you were wrong, ALPA told you that you were wrong Wake and 9 jurors told you that you do not know what fair is.

Besides no one took your seniority. You were place on a new combined list the west was not just added to your list. Something that the east is going to have to begin to understand. Using the new combined and arbitrated list you can you still have the seniority to hold your current position. Anything after that what might or might not have happened is pure speculation.

So if in deed you are “super seniorâ€￾ you are still “super seniorâ€￾ nothing changed other than having a list with more names on it.

If you want to talk about unfair explain the fairness of our number one “super seniorâ€￾ west pilot being placed junior to 517 east pilots.

 

[cleardirect]

You think he means that. Well I am sorry I mistakenly went by what his quote was not but what he meant.

Aqua's quote, " Lose there and that's it. SCOTUS will grant injunctions when needed, ie death penalty cases, but the chances of USAPA getting the SCOTUS to enjoin the 9th would be zero.

I thought he meant, ". Lose there and that's it. SCOTUS will grant injunctions when needed, ie death penalty cases, but the chances of USAPA getting the SCOTUS to enjoin the 9th would be zero."

Thanks for clearing this up for us Clear.

The reason is that the court of appeals is the only appeal by right. Lose there and that's it.

But you somehow left out the point of the quote. Lose there and you have no more right of appeal. It is granted sparingly and rarely at SCOTUS at their discretion
no right exists.

Did that clear it up?

 

[aquagreen73s]

But an appeal to SCOTUS doesn't stay the injunction. Atty fees and damages would proceed nonetheless. The reason is that the court of appeals is the only appeal by right. Lose there and that's it.

You think he means that. Well I am sorry I mistakenly went by what his quote was not but what he meant.

The court of appeals is the only appeal by right. There is no right to appeal beyond that. SCOTUS is discretionary.

My 8th grader understood that on her first read. Amazing.

 

[N924PS]

As a "super senior," I must say you cannot be more wrong. Even "super senior" pilots know the difference between right and wrong, fair and unfair. We are also aware that seniority is about the only thing that can't be taken from us in bankruptcy, since we've had just about everything else taken away.

If the "super senior" wanted to throw the junior pilot under the bus, do you think USAPA would be in existence? Do you think it would remain in existence? Do you think that Cleary would be sitting quite comfortably in his office in CLT?

We, the "super senior," are in this for the long haul with all of our east colleagues. Get used to it.

No one is "super senior" except #1.

Not even you.

 

[CallawayGolf]

Favorability Ratings of Labor Unions Fall Sharply

Looks like USAPA's dearth of a moral footing may be impacting the public's perception of unions as a whole. According to Pew Research the number of Americans who believe unions are useful and necessary has seen unprecedented declines in the past two years. This is the same timeframe that USAPA has been inexistence. Coincidence? How does this poor public perception come into play as USAPA spends more time in court rooms than it does in meeting rooms negotiating for a new CBA? Maybe they should think twice before asking for another jury trial. Wait, USAPA thinking twice before the leap off a cliff – what am I thinking?

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1505/labor-uni...n-purpose-power

 

[HPDriver]

I hear the troops are restless for some news from the trenches of the 9th sector.

Not at all.

Leonidas stated that they wouldn't post any updates until the 9th ruled.

Oh wait, and update did come out today.

Look at that.

 

[veritasaequitas]

The court of appeals is the only appeal by right. There is no right to appeal beyond that. SCOTUS is discretionary.

Your quote that I was referring to sir.

"The reason is that the court of appeals is the only appeal by right. Lose there and that's it. SCOTUS will grant injunctions when needed, ie death penalty cases, but the chances of USAPA getting the SCOTUS to enjoin the 9th would be zero."

"You said lose the 9th and that is it." "the chances of USAPA getting the SCOTUS to enjoin the 9th would be zero." Now you say it is discretionary.

Now your latest quote in the above box obviously tempers your previous post with logic.

Are you trying to keep the money coming in from furloughed and junior badge backers by making them think they will be getting their jobs back and back pay? A merger or corporate transaction is imminent and they will not be included in future plans, regardless of the results of the current proceedings. United furloughs will claim their jobs according to new ALPA policy.

 

[Phoenix]

.. Very soon we will get a ruling upholding the federal judge and agreeing that USAPA is liable and Seham was wrong from the start and Bradford was wrong for beiliving him and the east pilots were wrong for following these dangerous people.

Wrong, wrong, wrong, blah, blah, blah.

The East has done nothing but exercise all its rights that are afforded it under the NMB and labor laws. Even ALPA said there is no time line.

"What exactly did they do"? (Sound familiar? )

 

[cltrat]

Favorability Ratings of Labor Unions Fall Sharply

Looks like USAPA's dearth of a moral footing may be impacting the public's perception of unions as a whole. According to Pew Research the number of Americans who believe unions are useful and necessary has seen unprecedented declines in the past two years. This is the same timeframe that USAPA has been inexistence. Coincidence? How does this poor public perception come into play as USAPA spends more time in court rooms than it does in meeting rooms negotiating for a new CBA? Maybe they should think twice before asking for another jury trial. Wait, USAPA thinking twice before the leap off a cliff – what am I thinking?

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1505/labor-uni...n-purpose-power

I seriously doubt the average Joe Public has any idea who USAPA even is.
I would suggest perhaps UAW and the auto makers and their problems are for more likely for that.

 

[cleardirect]

Your quote that I was referring to sir.

"The reason is that the court of appeals is the only appeal by right. Lose there and that's it. SCOTUS will grant injunctions when needed, ie death penalty cases, but the chances of USAPA getting the SCOTUS to enjoin the 9th would be zero."

"You said lose the 9th and that is it." "the chances of USAPA getting the SCOTUS to enjoin the 9th would be zero." Now you say it is discretionary.

Now your latest quote in the above box obviously tempers your previous post with logic.

Are you trying to keep the money coming in from furloughed and junior badge backers by making them think they will be getting their jobs back and back pay? A merger or corporate transaction is imminent and they will not be included in future plans, regardless of the results of the current proceedings. United furloughs will claim their jobs according to new ALPA policy.

Merger is imminent? Really care to define imminent, a week, a month, a year, two years?

Care to post the new ALPA policy that says UAL furloughs have rights over US Airways furloughs? Maybe because they would be the majority and usapa is a weak toothless union? How about explaining why the west pilots would be out but the east pilots would be OK?

What happen to the Republic spin off? You guys just can't stick to one silly story for long can you?

 

[cleardirect]

Wrong, wrong, wrong, blah, blah, blah.

The East has done nothing but exercise all its rights that are afforded it under the NMB and labor laws. Even ALPA said there is no time line.

"What exactly did they do"? (Sound familiar? )

Yea I guess you forgot about the failure to represent the west fairly. You know that thing that got usapa sued in the first place.

Did nothing but exercise your rights. Sure OK whatever.