US Pilots Labor Discussion 10/13-- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[Phoenix]

The accusations amount to the fact that Wake ruled against USAPA a few times, or am I missing something here?

BTW, accusing a judge of bias and not proving it sufficiently doesn't make that judge biased in the future. But it could be a case of stupid tactics by the attorneys making the unsubstantiated claim.

It was an open dispute with the judge before they ever got there. Wake obviously isn't the one to have jurisdiction on the question. But he's batting 1000 on the concept of jurisdiction.. why change now.

 

[nycbusdriver]

You actually think USAPA is capable of negotiating and implementing a contract? That's really funny.

Well, then, I guess you are certainly in deep doo-doo, aren't you?

Of course, support like yours is the basis for assuring a self-fulfilling prophecy.

 

[hp_fa]

It was an open dispute with the judge before they ever got there. Wake obviously isn't the one to have jurisdiction on the question. But he's batting 1000 on the concept of jurisdiction.. why change now.

Do you care to be specific on anything Judge Wake did that indicated that he was prejudiced against USAPA other than doing his job and issuing rulings on law and evidence, which, by the way, he also did against the Addington plaintiffs. Granath couldn't be specific in court, do you want to try here?

 

[luvthe9]

You actually think USAPA is capable of negotiating and implementing a contract? That's really funny.

There really are only two answers: either they are incompetent or they are intentionally failing the pilots US Airways, electing to pursue their own personal agenda rather than complying with their statutorily defined role of being the bargaining agent. It doesn’t really matter which one it is, because for USAPA all roads lead to failure.

There are really three maybe the company likes the labor costs on the east side!!!

 

[Phoenix]

Do you care to be specific on anything Judge Wake did that indicated that he was prejudiced against USAPA other than doing his job and issuing rulings on law and evidence, which, by the way, he also did against the Addington plaintiffs. Granath couldn't be specific in court, do you want to try here?

You don't bother to answer the question of jurisdiction first either.

 

[hp_fa]

You don't bother to answer the question of jurisdiction first either.

That is easy. He ruled that the case was ripe. If you remember USAPA's initial brief to the trial court, which I believe was in their Motion to Dismiss, USAPA argued both that the case was unripe and time-barred because it was late. They argued both. Wake decided that the case was ripe for injunctive relief. The Addington plaintiffs then filed for class status. Wake granted that and USAPA filed a special action to the 9th on that and lost. (Frankly, I felt that since the 9th had granted class status they would not subsequently rule that the case wasn't ripe, but I was wrong.)

So Wake was wrong on ripeness. That doesn't make him prejudiced. What happens when a case is sent back for a re-trial? There isn't a new judge, the same judge hears the re-trial.

So, back to you. What evidence exists that Judge Wake is judicially prejudiced against USAPA. Granath could not answer that in court, can you?

 

[traderjake]

There are really three maybe the company likes the labor costs on the east side!!!

And USAPA is more than happy to give it to them.

 

[A320 Driver]

Gotta love how you set up a no lose proposition for USAPA - if they win they are right, if they lose they are right and win on appeal. I could just as easily say that if USAPA accepts the Nic the West is right, if USAPA rejects the Nic it proves bias against the West and West wins a DFR suit.

Leaving out one possibility makes a big difference doesn't it?

Jim

You're reading a WHOLE lot more into that than I was trying to say.

 

[nic4us]

Wow, still pages and pages of the same old crap, if you westies want your DFR suit that won't happen till there is a joint comtract, you have alll been lead down the road by your Rev Jim Jones (aka Ferguson) how much more money will you guys waste. The NIC is not going to happen your best shot is to get a contract then do your DFR. In the mean time keep those donations coming!!!!

Wow, comparing Ferguson to Jim Jones.

Whats the matter, those LOA93 work rules taking their toll?

 

[mikey60]

You actually think USAPA is capable of negotiating and implementing a contract? That's really funny.

Seriously, how many sections have they come to an agreement on? What is the latest "win" for USAPA at the negotiating table? What's stopping USAPA from advancing negotiatings and showing all of us just how sharp and productive they are at representing the pilots of US Airways? I think we all know the answer to these questions - USAPA hasn't done anything.

So why is it that they haven't completed a single section via the negotiating process? There really are only two answers: either they are incompetent or they are intentionally failing the pilots US Airways, electing to pursue their own personal agenda rather than complying with their statutorily defined role of being the bargaining agent. It doesn’t really matter which one it is, because for USAPA all roads lead to failure.

Take a look at the company position on any section of the contract, it's rediculous. They will drag this contract on forever and as long as the pilots of this

company continue to earn their fifty a month for busting their ass to make schedule. Two months at the bottom of the list would change things.

 

[nic4us]

Two months at the bottom of the list would change things.

Just ask Colello.

 

[Phoenix]

That is easy. He ruled that the case was ripe. If you remember USAPA's initial brief to the trial court, which I believe was in their Motion to Dismiss, USAPA argued both that the case was unripe and time-barred because it was late. They argued both. Wake decided that the case was ripe for injunctive relief. The Addington plaintiffs then filed for class status. Wake granted that and USAPA filed a special action to the 9th on that and lost. (Frankly, I felt that since the 9th had granted class status they would not subsequently rule that the case wasn't ripe, but I was wrong.)

So Wake was wrong on ripeness. That doesn't make him prejudiced. What happens when a case is sent back for a re-trial? There isn't a new judge, the same judge hears the re-trial.

So, back to you. What evidence exists that Judge Wake is judicially prejudiced against USAPA. Granath could not answer that in court, can you?

The question of whether or not Wake acted prejudicially in his handling of the case was never addressed by the 9th, because they dismissed the whole case. Only the incredulous hold the notion that Wake and USAPA now should be love birds despite the unresolved question. But I have to give Wake some credit, at least he is feigning ignorance.

 

[hp_fa]

The question of whether or not Wake acted prejudicially in his handling of the case was never addressed by the 9th, because they dismissed the whole case. Only the incredulous hold the notion that Wake and USAPA now should be love birds despite the unresolved question. But I have to give Wake some credit, at least he is feigning ignorance.

So may I infer from your response that you don't have any better response than Granath did in open court to the claim that Judge Wake is judicially prejudiced against USAPA?

 

[BoeingBoy]

You're reading a WHOLE lot more into that than I was trying to say.

No, just pointing out what you DIDN't say...

Jim

 

[Phoenix]

So may I infer from your response that you don't have any better response than Granath did in open court to the claim that Judge Wake is judicially prejudiced against USAPA?

Its a free country, feign whatsoever you wish. Add it to the damages.