US Pilot Labor Thread--11/16-23

[Tiger 1050]

Like I said if the company really wants a contract they will talk. The companies actions speak real words, not what is coming out of their mouths.

wopr

I agree 100%

 

[Tiger 1050]

Amendable?

I'm sorry...

Are you talking? :glare:

 

[nostradamus]

I'm sorry...

Are you talking? :glare:

How is the financial support going for west pilots, is everyone chipping in?

 

[Tiger 1050]

How is the financial support going for west pilots, is everyone chipping in?

From what I understand it is going well with the exception of some who feel they are not effected enough to care. However I am not really privy to that info...

Why don't you post a link so we can all find out?

 

[LSS]

He did:

View attachment 8075

You guys are so predictable.

And to further seal the deal...he paid each pilot group $300k to get it done.


Now perhaps someone from USAPA will post where he has accepted USAPA's Wish List.

EJ... if you attended (or viewed) the most recent Crew News in PHX... didn't sound to me like Dougie has accepted anything regarding the "lists". He has never once come out and said this is the list and this is our bargaining position regarding the NIC.

 

[nostradamus]

From what I understand it is going well with the exception of some who feel they are not effected enough to care. However I am not really privy to that info...

Understand your statement about those who do not feel they are affected. I guess you have your version of the 924PS type pilots on your side too.


If you are not privy to the info, I would certainly not be.

 

[Tiger 1050]

If you are not privy to the info, I would certainly not be.

Oh don't be modest. I know you have your sources... And that's fine. We all do.

 

[BoeingBoy]

The Posner(Air Wisconsin) case deals with the exact opposite of what we have here.

Since you'd be hard pressed to find a case exactly like the current situation at US, all precedent goes out the window then.

In fact, the case says that in order to prevail in a DFR case, "The first is the principle that a union's interpretation of its own constitution, by-laws, and other promulgations is entitled to judicial deference; we must be able to call the interpretation unreasonable, perhaps even "patently unreasonable," before we can set it aside " (quote from the Posner case). In other words, Unless the Union's own interpretation of it's C&BLs are "patently unreasonable", then it can implement it's will as it sees fit.

Nice try - this is part of the rejection that the arbitration award violated ALPA's constitution. That was the basic argument the East MEC had filed suit over before being disbanded. The union has wide latitude to interpret it's constitution, but as the "note" I highlighted says, it cannot use that discretion to inflict the majorities wishes on the minority.

Thanks for finally agreeing with me on something.

You really do have to stop putting words in other people's mouths. The TA gives the company the right in this case to veto any integrated list if it doesn't meet the criteria agreed to in the TA. USAPA's position is that seniority is negotiable - period. It could be changed every 6 months if the union desired and the company agreed. The $64 million question is whether USAPA can change an arbitration award it inherited without running afoul of the DFR.

It specifically says that it doesn't apply to airline workers.

Isn't that the difference between RLA and non-RLA industries? Check that one off as covered in my post.

There are LOTS of differences, including the idea of amendable contracts,

Yup - covered that too

the grievance process

Oh no - I missed one...

and the process which evolves into "self-help".

Covered that one too...

On the other hand, the lawyers for AOL and AWAPPA used MANY non-RLA industries as references in their briefs.

Possibly because DFR isn't just a RLA issue but the responsibility of all unions...

Jim

 

[nostradamus]

Boeing Boy poster,

Why are the members of the FFOCUS group, art, piney and yourself on the pilot thread of the Us Airways message board so much?

Is your group still asking consumers not to fly on Us Airways, as requested in the article by your group in the link a provided above?

You would think you would start a new thread which could allow the readers to narrow down their priorities on what they would like to concentrate on regarding their concerns as it relates to this message board.

I know why. If a bear in the woods submits a new thread, would anyone care?

 

[aredeeyou22]

Boeing Boy poster,

Why are the members of the FFOCUS group, art, piney and yourself on the pilot thread of the Us Airways message board so much?

Is your group still asking consumers not to fly on Us Airways, as requested in the article by your group in the link a provided above?

You would think you would start a new thread which could allow the readers to narrow down their priorities on what they would like to concentrate on regarding their concerns as it relates to this message board.

I know why. If a bear in the woods submits a new thread, would anyone care?

My favorite from your FFOCUS link :

"Water is necessary for sustaining human life." Like we won't give out a glass of water. Good stuff....

 

[Phoenix]

I'm sorry...

Are you talking? :glare:

Apology accepted. :wub:

If you care to explain the meaning of "amendable", feel free.

 

[Tiger 1050]

Apology accepted. :wub:

If you care to explain the meaning of "amendable", feel free.

Sure!

amend |əˈmend|
verb [ trans. ]
make minor changes in (a text) in order to make it fairer, more accurate, or more up-to-date : the rule was amended to apply only to nonmembers.
• modify formally, as a legal document or legislative bill : did she amend her original will later on? | pressuring Panama to amend its banking laws.
• make better; improve : if you can amend or alter people's mind-set.
• archaic put right : a few things had gone wrong, but these had been amended.
DERIVATIVES
amendable |əˈmɛndəbəl| adjective
amender |əˈmɛndər| noun
ORIGIN Middle English : from Old French amender, based on Latin emendare (see emend ).

Sorry for the symbols... But I'll take it on faith that you can read the definition...

 

[Richard]

Stay on topic. This thread is not limited to pilots.

What other posters do or what threads they read is not your concern.

 

[electricjet98]

Boeing Boy poster,

Why are the members of the FFOCUS group, art, piney and yourself on the pilot thread of the Us Airways message board so much?

Is your group still asking consumers not to fly on Us Airways, as requested in the article by your group in the link a provided above?

You would think you would start a new thread which could allow the readers to narrow down their priorities on what they would like to concentrate on regarding their concerns as it relates to this message board.

I know why. If a bear in the woods submits a new thread, would anyone care?

Why is it that when someone posts with logic, experience and authority, some people who have no intellegent response, resort to off topic attacks?

 

[nostradamus]

Why is it that when someone posts with logic, experience and authority, some people who have no intellegent response, resort to off topic attacks?

Every animal has an underbelly, in modern terms a closet.