US Airways Makes Case for Merger With American

[BoeingBoy]

From what I can gather about USAPA, the West was willing to join, until it came to seniority because USAPA wanted some 500 US pilots to retain their top seniority. So you have all been in litigation and squabbles and arbitration and going back and forth in court, etc.

You've been gathering nothing but chaff then...

Jim

 

[Phoenix]

So why don't you give me the definition of scab. The word is used lightly in your industry. When NWA decided to outsource high paying jobs in my area, the replacements were called scabs. Come to find out, the replacements weren't only union, but they were the same union as they replaced. The IAM. Ever hear of it?

From what I can gather about USAPA, the West was willing to join, until it came to seniority because USAPA wanted some 500 US pilots to retain their top seniority. So you have all been in litigation and squabbles and arbitration and going back and forth in court, etc.

So now you call each other scabs, but you all belong to unions??!

From all this, I would define scab as the opposite of us.

Congratulations again, Move, I thought the West did get shafted regardless of the "REAL and DETAILED" story. But now it seems that we get what we deserve and your eggs haven't hatched yet.

A point of order, sir. Some of the escapees from the asylum in the West are hopelessly babbling the scab mantra. The disease, which usually includes frothing at the mouth and a vindictive demeanor, appears to be hereditary rather than communicable.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Pilots union assails AMR exec's 'publicity stunt'

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[signals]

US looks good on paper
But don't count Delta out.

 

[wings396]

Delta doesn't want this deal to happen, as it will give them a stronger competitor in the southeast. I do believe that they would go as far as buying US in order to stop and and to eliminate their competition. They don't need AA or US, but its all about capacity reduction and less competition.


As far as defining a scab, it was intended for those that cross a picket line, and/or choose to cover struck work.
Why some here have chosen to use it against their counterparts is beyond me.

 

[robbedagain]

I have doubt that the govt would allow DL to buy us but your right wings that DL doesnt want US/AA to be a competitor

 

[Beancounter]

Which one I wonder would be best for the employees? Initially I would probably say Delta, but then I think about the fact that Delta just wants to prevent US from acquiring AA. Charlotte and DCA are the most valuable hubs we have, but Charlotte sure is close to Atlanta. How many hubs closed? The NIC would be implemented and we'd get a good contract, but how many pilots would get furloughed? 1000, 2000, 3000.......??????? I won't even began to speculate on how hard other employee groups would get hit. Of course thanks to USAPA, management really doesn't care what US pilots think. I think they've put the flight attendants up on the shelf too.

Bean

 

[robbedagain]

Bean I dont know if the combined company would lay off 300 pilots given the large amt of aircraft avail but then again given DL's anti union run arounds (atleast from several DL employees in my station) I think DL would just want AA and US both broken up but in the end I think that US and AA will come together as I have doubt that the Govt would not allow DL to acquire either US and AA

 

[USA320Pilot]

Bean I dont know if the combined company would lay off 300 pilots given the large amt of aircraft avail but then again given DL's anti union run arounds (atleast from several DL employees in my station) I think DL would just want AA and US both broken up but in the end I think that US and AA will come together as I have doubt that the Govt would not allow DL to acquire either US and AA

In my opinion, a DL and US merger is unlikely due to anti-trust concerns. The first two anti-trust issues are the Shuttle and then market concentration at slot controlled airports.

I suspect DL's interest in the potential consolidation is a fragmentation of AMR with DL obtaining AA's MIA hub and Latin/South American operation, which would round out DL's network. However, this portion of AA's route network would be very important to US as well.

 

[FWAAA]

In my opinion, a DL and US merger is unlikely due to anti-trust concerns. The first two anti-trust issues are the Shuttle and then market concentration at slot controlled airports.

I suspect DL's interest in the potential consolidation is a fragmentation of AMR with DL obtaining AA's MIA hub and Latin/South American operation, which would round out DL's network. However, this portion of AA's route network would be very important to US as well.

I agree. In addtion to expected pushback from the US antitrust authorities, the EU would probably not bless the formation of a such a powerful duopoly across the Atlantic.

 

[USA320Pilot]

I agree. In addtion to expected pushback from the US antitrust authorities, the EU would probably not bless the formation of a such a powerful duopoly across the Atlantic.

FWAAA,

I agree with your point. Speaking of the EU how about IAG, BA and Oneworld's position on a DL-AA merger or fragmentation? I'm sure they would not be too happy to have DL get a hold of AA or AA's MIA hub/South American operation, which would strengthen SkyTeam and hurt Oneworld.
In my opinion, IAG/BA would be more interested in an AA/US merger because Oneworld would be strengthened with more code share opportunity and Star would be hurt.

I suspect that IAG would lobby the EU to block a DL-AA deal.

USA320Pilot

 

[robbedagain]

I agree with that too. I see US leaving Star joing Oneworld and then with help from IAG and BA putting together US/AA possible with AA mgmt or US or a mix ofboth US/AA running the combined airline

 

[USA320Pilot]

Texas Senator: Don’t Mess With American Airlines

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USA320Pilot comments: It appears that Tom Horton is pulling out all stops to prevent Doug Parker from influencing the UCC and AA's unions from supporting US Airways' desired takeover of American Airlines. Not only did Horton presumably have his Chief Pilot write a letter, which was provided to the news media, he has contacted some of the company's congressional delegation too.

However, it appears at least one American union sees things different.

According to the Star-Telegram, American Airlines' pilots union accused management Wednesday of a "publicity stunt" for a memo written by the carrier's vice president of flight that contended that pilots are skeptical about a takeover bid from US Airways.

"Our take is, for whatever reason, American Airlines management feels threatened by US Airways management," said Gregg Overman, a spokesman for the Allied Pilots Association.

He said union President David Bates has seen the memo, written by John Hale.

Overman noted that the current industry landscape does not support some of Hale's assertions, particularly if one looks at the operational performance of American and US Airways.

For example, US Airways has outperformed American in metrics such as on-time performance and baggage handling, Overman said.

In my opinion, Doug Parker is gaining traction with the UCC and AA's unions, which is why Horton appears to be more-and-more threatened by US Airways management.

Click here to read the story.

It must be getting awfully hot in AMR's "executive suite" trying to keep your job and earn millions of dollars in management restructuring compensation/bonus payments.

 

[BoeingBoy]

In my opinion, Doug Parker is gaining traction with the UCC and AA's unions, which is why Horton appears to be more-and-more threatened by US Airways management.

In my opinion, Parker is playing a dangerous game trying to sneak his toes over the line. Lest anyone forget, AA has the exclusive right to present a POR to the UCC and the judge might not take kindly to Parker talking to the UCC before the exclusivity period is over.

Jim

 

[gabby]

In my opinion, Parker is playing a dangerous game trying to sneak his toes over the line. Lest anyone forget, AA has the exclusive right to present a POR to the UCC and the judge might not take kindly to Parker talking to the UCC before the exclusivity period is over.

Jim

Judging from the lack of ethics in corporate america, i wouldn't be surprised if the winner is the one who slides the most money under the table.