Us Airways Is Not Only One Facing Outsourcing

[to much time to quit]

Its the members who support the IAM in court to defend our contract. There is no conspiracy theory here. The iam/amfa battle is irrelevant until this issue is settled, because without the airbus work we will be dwindled down to 800 or so technicians left. And we already have close to 50% on the street. A no furlough clause would be the same as a life sentence, will honor the courts desicion, good or bad,and as of now its leaning our way. And chip the majority of us don't think about this shithole company while we lie in bed. You need to get your mind off things. Maybe you fear your job loss alot more than others. Don't be scared, life goes on.

Regards TMTTQ

 

[ClueByFour]

To much time to quit,

There is risk in the appeal process and the anti-company judicial sentiment by a Pittsburgh judge will not exist in Philadelphia. Furthermore, could a Philadelphia judge have sympathy for the company now that Southwest is moving into the "City of Brotherly Love"?


In addition, could Ed Rendell and his wife step in to over turn the decision as part of the PIT hub negotiations? I know what I am suggesting is illegal, but strange things happen to the best attorney's once in court.

Can you please dial the FUD back a notch or two?

Go back and read Cindrich's decisions for the past two years or so, and then tell me he expressed "anti-company sentiment." He read the CBA, heard testimony, and considered prior caselaw.

Further, it's not as if his decision left any grey area. It was a black and white slam dunk for the IAM. He also went so far as to grant a preliminary injunction as opposed to the TRO, and deny the company's appeal for a stay. Federal judges don't like to be overturned.

This crap about Rendell's wife is going to get you sued. Seriously. The woman is a federal judge, who has removed/recused herself from anything remotely dealing with Ed's political sphere of influence (and your attempted smear of Judge Rendell also assumes that it was not Ed himself who was pulling LUV into Philly with the red carpet out--ever think of that?).

Gee, I know that "strange things happen to good pilots" from time to time too. If I said that and meant it, I'd have every ALPA member from here to the Safety Committee jumping up and down about the "professionalism" of the ranks. Don't turn around and do things like that to somebody else to further your own FUD agenda. It's very poor form.

 

[Dilligas]

If I said that and meant it, I'd have every ALPA member from here to the Safety Committee jumping up and down about the "professionalism" of the ranks. Don't turn around and do things like that to somebody else to further your own FUD agenda. It's very poor form.

It's obvious that the rules do not apply equally. It's the "special one's" role in life to bombard this board with outlandish ego and dismiss anyone with a different opinion with name calling and derision, never once having the self-awareness to think through an issue and weigh an argument intellectually. Why anyone wastes their time and bandwidth to try and reason with the "special one" is amazing. Trying to remind the "special one" of decorum, taste, or good form is futile.

 

[N628AU]

Chip,

Since you apparently spent the whole night dreaming up another merger scenario, I'll repost this entire post I directed at you with hopes you may actually have the nerve to answer it. Or did it hit a little too close to home last time?

Chip,

Where do I begin with this?

It was okay for ALPA to fight the "CRJ705" because of what was negotiated in the Collective Bargaining Agreements, yet the mechanics fighting for what they agreed upon is not okay, the company must adapt or change.

This makes sense only if you can admit you are trying to have it both ways. I am no fan of either management or unions, look at my posts and you can tell that much. But there is a point where everyone has their line in the sand. Apparently with ALPA it is the RJ agreement. What if the company came and said since WN announced PHL service, we need to be more cost competitive and let Mesa fly EMB170 and EMB190 aircraft and proceeded to do so? I am sure we would see ALPA legal on that post haste with our favorite A320 captain at the head of the line!

Go back and look at your postings regarding labor costs. US labor costs as a percentage of total costs is lower than the other majors and in line with the LCCs. Could it be that there is truly mismanagement on the revenue side, and no on ein CCY has the knowledge or guts to try and fix it? I'll give you an example. A friend of mine paid $980 R/T CLT-FLL leaving on Monday and returning tomorrow. His business ended early, and although he had a Y fare ticket, it was a 3 day advance Y fare and not 24 hour, so they wanted a $50 change fee to move it up on an open flight, and would not put him standby. Maybe this is the real issue and not who is overhauling an aircraft?

As for your theoretical question about allowing the A320 outsourcing in exchange for no-furlough, what about the many people who would like to return to do this work that is contractually obligated to them? How about when the company accelerates Boeing retirements and then tries to outsource the replacements for the Boeings? Do you actually believe this company will pay mechanics to sit while all that work goes out the door? Will they replace any retired workers.

There have been many grave sacrifices given by many in this company, so get off you soapbox about ALPA only giving all cost targets to the company. Every group worked off the ALPA agreements, and I applaud ALPA for being leaders in setting the bar for everyone. Maybe you need to bumped to the right seat of that Airbus to feel some more pain. Maybe you are bitter because the pension was your breaking point and ALPA did not let you have a voice in what to give. If that is the case, take it up with them, and stop warring with your fellow workers. Everyone needs to be in the fight together against the true enemy, the competition.

 

[delldude]

The unions must decide how much do they value their employment. Are the employees willing to do everything possible to save this company? Most employees will answer YES to this question. The issue at hand is saving the company. It is not about what is in it for me. TEAM does not have the letter “Iâ€￾. This is not the time to be egocentric. The employee sacrifices should be commended. It has been a long and arduous road. The LCC’s have put us in a position where we have to do more. CASM will be reduced, one way or the other.

yeah you vulture,it don't got "WE" neither.

 

[T-bone]

Lets go over this one more time for the likes of (hawk and chip). Heavy maintenance amounts to something like 10-20% of airline expenditures and out sourcing saves up to 2%. This is per Aviation Tech magazize. So if I'm not off by a lightyear; rapping maintenance and destroying a hole bunch of morale among the troops amonts to something like a .4% savings.GREAT THINKING DAVEY TWINS & JERRY. IF ONLY I KNEW BEING A CORPRATE CRIMINAL WAS THIS EASY. I'D HAVE A NICE HOME IN FLA. ALSO.
So this .4% savings, coupled with not paying leases in Pit, Tpa etc. somehow equals a huge loose! I hope the same Feds who took a look at Enron take a good look at you boys. Seeing you spend time even on a golf course should be fun!!!!!

 

[delldude]

United's mechanics agreed to outsourcing and could a key to a pending United - US Airways merger be for US Airways to outsource the A320 overhaul?

Moreover, if the IAM is successful in blocking US Airways' attempt to outsource the A320 heavy maintenance could this prevent the merger?

Could the IAM's action actually be to prevent an integration of US Airways' IAM mechanics and United's AMFA mechanics?

In fact, could the IAM leadership be self serving in this legal battle, versus looking out for the collective good of their members?

Would a no furlough clause going into a merger be a good thing or the risk of getting your clock cleaned be better?

Something to think about while lying in bed at night...

Hummmm....

Regards,

Chip

chip...first wn does c-check maintenence.
second,anymerger with ual is already on record from scamfa as putting iam on the bottom of the seniority list...so whers our incentive?
third,no furlough clauses are a dinosaur rom the past.seigel agreed to us at 279 and i thinnk he's afool to have done so.
fourth-merge with UAL and a whole lot of 'wonderful things will happen'.both in your and my world,so think about that when cuddling up in bed at nite.
i need 10 more yrs to get my 85 and the bus inhouse means an awful lot to me...cause ol davey was planning on ridding himself of the 737's between now and then,and that makes one hell of a differnce for me and anyone in my seniority group.
official doo doo
the dude goes on record against any
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[pitguy]

Delta could vendor out their heavy checks if they wanted too. They chose not to. Southwest chooses to bring more and more of their heavy check work in house every day.