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[wings396]

Like it or not, AA isn't going to get on level with DL or UA on their own. They are going to go thru a period of regression with the big 2 take advantage of it and grow.
As much as it troubles you, US is their only option left. You aren't going to gain any large pacific presence either way.

 

[AAviator]

I can't argue that the NW route system was a great fit for DL with the pacific etc. Keep in mind that Parkers intent was to reduce capacity in order to have better control over ticket prices. Not any different than DL expressing some interest in US. Eliminate a competitor, and take seats out of the market, that's what consolidation is all about. Fleet types, and routes are secondary. Once merged, any airlines can redeploy their a/c wherever they feel the need.

Yep.

Bulls-eye.

So why hasn't Parker snatched up Frontier?

<yawn>

 

[AAviator]

Like it or not, AA isn't going to get on level with DL or UA on their own. They are going to go thru a period of regression with the big 2 take advantage of it and grow.
As much as it troubles you, US is their only option left. You aren't going to gain any large pacific presence either way.

Ah, such a definitive statement. Might be a surprise to you, but with the re-work of pilot flight/duty times, you'll see some organic growth in the Pacific pretty quickly. MIA-NRT to be the first. You gloss over, or conveniently forget AA has a presence in the Pacific with OneWorld partners JAL and Qantas. AND, the new additions of 16 777's over the next couple of years will provide the metal necessary to add flights. BTW, watch LAX when we fully utilize our new gates out there. Oh yes, there's the 42 787's on the way that make thinner US-Asia non-stop routes possible.

"US is the only option left" is laughable.

 

[signals]

Ah, such a definitive statement. Might be a surprise to you, but with the re-work of pilot flight/duty times, you'll see some organic growth in the Pacific pretty quickly. MIA-NRT to be the first. You gloss over, or conveniently forget AA has a presence in the Pacific with OneWorld partners JAL and Qantas. AND, the new additions of 16 777's over the next couple of years will provide the metal necessary to add flights. BTW, watch LAX when we fully utilize our new gates out there. Oh yes, there's the 42 787's on the way that make thinner US-Asia non-stop routes possible.

"US is the only option left" is laughable.

US is the only option left for US. They're just looking for misery to share in their company

The US vultures are on a merger-wolf high 24/7

 

[wings396]

Yep.

Bulls-eye.

So why hasn't Parker snatched up Frontier?

<yawn>

In different times, Frontier wouldn't be a bad deal overall. In today's environment, they won't add anything to the bottom line. We have 2 large airlines, which are Delta & United. The leftovers, being US & AA need to do something to get themselves on the same level as the big 2, and Frontier won't do that for either of them. I believe in time that Frontier will get snatched up by someone who wants them out of their hair, possibly UA.

 

[wings396]

Ah, such a definitive statement. Might be a surprise to you, but with the re-work of pilot flight/duty times, you'll see some organic growth in the Pacific pretty quickly. MIA-NRT to be the first. You gloss over, or conveniently forget AA has a presence in the Pacific with OneWorld partners JAL and Qantas. AND, the new additions of 16 777's over the next couple of years will provide the metal necessary to add flights. BTW, watch LAX when we fully utilize our new gates out there. Oh yes, there's the 42 787's on the way that make thinner US-Asia non-stop routes possible.

"US is the only option left" is laughable.

Notice that you are talking "Years" here, where do you figure that DL & UA will be in comparison by then?

 

[AAviator]

In different times, Frontier wouldn't be a bad deal overall. In today's environment, they won't add anything to the bottom line. We have 2 large airlines, which are Delta & United. The leftovers, being US & AA need to do something to get themselves on the same level as the big 2, and Frontier won't do that for either of them. I believe in time that Frontier will get snatched up by someone who wants them out of their hair, possibly UA.

You lost me. Re-read your post #150..

Nevermind, here's a copy and paste:
"Keep in mind that Parkers intent was to reduce capacity in order to have better control over ticket prices. Not any different than DL expressing some interest in US. Eliminate a competitor, and take seats out of the market, that's what consolidation is all about. Fleet types, and routes are secondary. Once merged, any airlines can redeploy their a/c wherever they feel the need."

Ok,
Why hasn't anyone grabbed Frontier? Why hasn't anyone sucked up LCC? If you really apply your belief, the hot commodity known as LCC would have been off the market YEARS ago.
You're chasing you tail now wings..

AA IS doing something to fix its problem. And it doesn't involve LCC. Over time, post emergence, AA may talk, but this nonsense that AA needs LCC is pure B.S. There are other cleaner, cheaper, more sensible ways of doing it. Closing your eyes and clicking your heels only works in the movies.

 

[AAviator]

Notice that you are talking "Years" here, where do you figure that DL & UA will be in comparison by then?

<cough>

You tell me..

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303404704577312151478169234.html?ru=yahoo&mod=yahoo_hs

And:
http://www.aviationplanning.com/AviationDataFlash.htm

Our finance guys predict DAL will have some fleet issues in a couple of years, with nowhere to turn as delivery slots are scarce..

You hold out yet another, "empty bag".

(And where do you think LCC will be in a couple of years if Parker can't pull a rabbit out of his hat? Just who needs who here?)

Where's your partner etops1 by the way?

 

[wings396]

Buying Frontier will reduce some capacity, but not enough to make a difference. We can go round and round here for days, so let's just wait and see what the final outcome is to see who was right or wrong.

 

[wings396]

Either way, we will keep moving along. US has been thru some very difficult times, and found a way to survive. Given what Parker had to work with, I think that he has done a decent job keeping the airline going.
I have been furloughed, relocated etc, so I have learned to deal with what things are a day at a time.

 

[signals]

Given what Parker had to work with, I think that he has done a decent job keeping the airline going.

Yes, he has...at the expense of the workers! Nowhere is it more obvious. He is the man behind the curtain, and only the clueless can't see a mountain of dust under the carpet!

Praise his holy name!

 

[USA320Pilot]

AMR Progresses in Talks With Largest Union

American Airlines parent AMR Corp. plans to offer a new contract proposal to its largest union early next week, just days after the company asked a bankruptcy judge to reject its labor accords so it can impose new contracts.

AMR said negotiations are progressing with the Transport Workers Union, which represents nearly 20,000 AMR employees. The company offered concessions to union leaders Thursday night that included cutting fewer TWU workers, AMR said in a note on its restructuring website Friday. The Fort Worth, Texas, company has proposed to shed 8,800 TWU workers.

AMR said it would offer a new contract proposal that reflects the new concessions by early next week, "and will continue to work through the weekend to meet that deadline."

AMR, the nation's No. 3 airline by traffic, filed for bankruptcy-court protection four months ago, after falling behind its peers who have strengthened themselves through bankruptcy restructurings and consolidation. The carrier has lost more than $14 billion since 2001, including the disclosure on Friday that it lost $619 million in February.

On Tuesday, AMR filed a motion in bankruptcy court to begin the process of rejecting its labor contracts so it can impose the changes it seeks. AMR wants to freeze at least three pension plans and cut 13,000 workers as it seeks $1.25 billion in labor savings. The motion was largely expected, and is seen as a tactic to pressure its unions in labor negotiations to accept the deep cuts.

AMR said in the note Friday that its "goal remains to meet these savings through consensual agreements with our unions."

Negotiations are moving more slowly with its pilots and flight attendants unions. An AMR spokesman said Friday that the company met with leaders of its pilots union this week to discuss freezing—rather than terminating—the pilots' pensions, but the two sides didn't sit down for formal negotiations. The company also didn't formally negotiate this week with its flight attendants' union, but met once to discuss scheduling and medical benefits.

The TWU couldn't immediately be reached for comment.

Write to Jack Nicas at [email protected]

 

[wings396]

Yes, he has...at the expense of the workers! Nowhere is it more obvious. He is the man behind the curtain, and only the clueless can't see a mountain of dust under the carpet!

Praise his holy name!


Don't know about you, but myself along with most others took our beatings long before Parker came onto the scene.

 

[AAviator]

Either way, we will keep moving along. US has been thru some very difficult times, and found a way to survive. Given what Parker had to work with, I think that he has done a decent job keeping the airline going.
I have been furloughed, relocated etc, so I have learned to deal with what things are a day at a time.

Thats a good attitude to have. We'll see what the future holds. I personally believe a AA/LCC combination will be devastating for AA and its employees.

 

[fodase]

Thats a good attitude to have. We'll see what the future holds. I personally believe a AA/LCC combination will be devastating for AA and its employees.

Yep. Parker doesn't believe in working with employees, the very thing that has made dal/NWa so sucessful