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[to much time to quit]

PineyBob:

You are closer to "Plan B" for all reservations and heavy maintenance facilities than post people know. The potential maintenance location would be very difficult to commute to and an undesirable location to live in.

It's up to the IAM and CWA on whether or not they want to negotiate or face the judge with their current facilities rejected in bankruptcy.

As I said before, there could be a lot of pain for those union's who do not participate in the new business plan, but that is their choice.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

Another point: I would rather see my coworkers who choose to move and follow their work at the same pay and benefits in their current contract. Your group can take all the profit sharing, after you give to save the company.

 

[TheLarkAscending]

Would someone kindly explain to me how only one person seems to know that the alleged "potential maintenance location" will be undesireable? How is it possible that the only person that seems to know this information is not even involved in maintenance, operationally? Additionally, why is this alleged potential location deemed an undesirable place in which to live? One would have to draw the conclusion that this individual, knows exactly where all people, everywhere would and wouldn't want to live? There is nothing that could be that bad unless it is located within a sewer filled with rats and cockroaches and maybe a narcissist thrown in for entertainment value. 😉

 

[USA320Pilot]

To_much_time_to_quit:

Not only could you move, but the judge will likely rule in favor of the company with a S.1113/S.1114 where there could be more outsourcing and lower pay and benefits than can be negotiated outside of bankruptcy.

By the way, if the company rejects the Charlotte maintenance facility too (like Pittsburgh), who pays for the employee move and home purchase. Did the IAM give up a company paid move during the last contract change?

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

 

[BoeingBoy]

Frankly, I sympathize with those who say "take it to the judge". Didn't we pilots have a 1113 letter before the last BK? Didn't we take additional concessions in BK? Didn't we change the pension calculations? Wasn't the pension terminated anyway?

Doesn't seem that the 1113 letter did much good....

Jim

 

[to much time to quit]

To_much_time_to_quit:

Not only could you move, but the judge will likely rule in favor of the company with a S.1113/S.1114 where there could be more outsourcing and lower pay and benefits than can be negotiated outside of bankruptcy.

By the way, if the company rejects the Charlotte maintenance facility too (like Pittsburgh), who pays for the employee move and home purchase. Did the IAM give up a company paid move during the last contract change?

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

I really don't care because at this point and time in my life I'm not moving anywhere. 😛 Besides you already convinced me and everybody else that its in such an undesirable location. You never stop scaring everybody.Give it a rest, everyone here is on to you. Leave us alone and let every man and women make up their own mind. You are relentless in your pursuit of helping yourself. :down:

 

[to much time to quit]

Would someone kindly explain to me how only one person seems to know that the alleged "potential maintenance location" will be undesireable? How is it possible that the only person that seems to know this information is not even involved in maintenance, operationally? Additionally, why is this alleged potential location deemed an undesirable place in which to live? One would have to draw the conclusion that this individual, knows exactly where all people, everywhere would and wouldn't want to live? There is nothing that could be that bad unless it is located within a sewer filled with rats and cockroaches and maybe a narcissist thrown in for entertainment value. 😉

Nice one, although you'll never get a reply. Your making to much sense.

 

[cavalier]

As I said before, there could be a lot of pain for those union's who do not participate in the new business plan, but that is their choice.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

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[USA320Pilot]

Each union has the right to approve a new labor accord or face the consequences of outsourcing, facility closure, and S.1113/S.1114 motions.

That's the bottom line.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

 

[cavalier]

Each union has the right to approve a new labor accord or face the consequences of outsourcing, facility closure, and S.1113/S.1114 motions.

That's the bottom line.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

The bottom line is look to above post and take heed.

 

[to much time to quit]

Each union has the right to approve a new labor accord or face the consequences of outsourcing, facility closure, and S.1113/S.1114 motions.

That's the bottom line.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

Your right, so leave us alone and let every man and women make up their own mind based on their individual situation. Hey, wasn't your pension protected in that 1113/ 1114 letters you keep talking about. 😛

 

[BoeingBoy]

Bob,

I'm certainly not a jailhouse lawyer, but I think there may be two things at work.

1 - I think "abrogating the contract" really means imposing a contract that management wants. The union isn't decertified or anything like that, so there is still a contract between the company and union - just one imposed by the judge.

2 - Under the RLA, at least, the union can "assess" non-members what are in effect union dues. I, too, live in a "right to work" state, so I don't have to pay the dues. However, I have to pay an equal amount in "assessment". Since I'm paying anyway, why not join and have the full benefits (in my case legal and medical advice/assistance if needed with the FAA).

So, yes, they could move the work somewhere and quite possibility end up hiring a bunch of new people off the street at entry level wages. But I think the union and a contract would still be in the picture.

Jim

 

[cavalier]

Sorry I wasn't clear. The contract will still be there. Even if they used the current contract, wouldn't moving about say 40% of the workforce from TOS to entry give them the savings they say they need?

Unless Dr bone head wants to throw more money into the abyss, this puppy doesn't have the strength to bear your scenario.

This industry isn't like Caterpillar where they fought the IAM and in the end they both lost, this is an airline which is very sensitive to public perception.

If a bunch of pissed off mechanics work there and you're trying to steal their jobs, who in their right mind is going to book that airline.

Bob stick to the novels, they make more sense.

 

[700UW]

Your right, so leave us alone and let every man and women make up their own mind based on their individual situation. Hey, wasn't your pension protected in that 1113/ 1114 letters you keep talking about. 😛

Thanks for taking up my slack and exposing him for what he is.

The right to work for less laws, do not cover airline union contracts where there is a union security clause, ALPA, IAM, CWA and TWU all have union security clauses, meaning a condition of employment is paying dues, you don't pay you get terminated. However, a worker can choose to be an dues objector which means they pay a reduced dues amount, they pay only what is germane to the contract. But by becoming a dues objector you become a non-member, giving up all your rights to vote on a contract, union reps and a strike.

 

[air chief]

Are you IAM members going to elect a person like the IAM member that stood in front of a padlocked gate at MIA when EAL shut its doors that held up a sign saying "WE WON", Does anyone know what ole Chaz Bryant is doing these days??

 

[700UW]

If the company gets what they want there will be 2,009 mechanics laid off, to only leave around 800 total , 1,000 utility (all of them) and 300 stock clerks (all of them). so it is a no win situation. Better to die with dignity then to live in fear as a coward.