Us Airways / Behind The Scenes: Machinists

[cavalier]

Cav:

US Airways is preparing for a bankruptcy filing and has indicated to the SEC there may be another “judicial restructuringâ€￾. The company has talked about this with the ATSB, the major creditors, and has the liquidity to not require DIP financing. If the company enters bankruptcy do you believe your work group will be better or worse off if you have to provide argument on why your work group deserves pay and benefits higher than America West for a failed company?

Proverbs just for you captain:


A closed mind is like a closed book; just a block of wood


Don't speak unless you can improve on the silence.


A fool finds no pleasure in understanding but delights in airing his own opinions.


Let no man deceive you with vain words.


Speak of the devil and he appears.


Listen or your tongue will keep you deaf.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Tadjr:

In regard to your last post, Cav started this thread in regard to Dan Fitzpatrick's column in today's Post Gazette. If you do not care about the IAM than why are you posting in this topic?

Nobody likes what is happening to our industry, our company, and our employees, but US Airways has to comply with its financial agreements and the loan guarantee covenants.

In regard to my position, I believe it serves no useful purpose to "burn the airline down to the ground." In addition, I believe it would be better for all employees concerned to have a job while looking for a job if the cuts are personally unacceptable.

Most people recognize the risks of bankruptcy and PitBull is right that nobody wants to see that, but without a new business plan it's likely that US Airways and its legacy competitors may not exist to much longer.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

 

[700UW]

Come on A320, I am still waiting, but I know you MO, you won't reply when you are shown to be posting false information.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Cav:

I appreciate your proverbs, but with all due respect you did not answer my question.

There are some people who post comments in this forum that I do not respond to. I no longer answer their questions or engage in debate with them because they lack decorum. You are not one of them, but with that said, if you elect to not answer my question that's o.k., however, in all sincerity I would like to ask you my question again.

If the company enters bankruptcy do you believe your work group will be better or worse off if you have to provide argument to the court on why your work group deserves pay and benefits higher than America West for a failed company?

Respectfully,

USA320pilot

 

[700UW]

There are some people who post comments in this forum that I no longer answer their questions or engage in debate with them because they lack decorum.
Respectfully,
USA320pilot

Don't you mean when you are shown to be posting false information?

Decorum? Your posting the other night shows your lack of it.

And I wonder why you refuse to reply when you are shown to be wrong?

And America West farms out all their heavy maintenance.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040730/clf048_1.html

They just renewed their contract with TIMCO.

 

[ClueByFour]

Meanwhile, why did Allegheny Capital airline analyst Bill Lauer tell the Post-Gazette, "I think they (the IAM) have got themselves painted into a corner?"

Who cares?

Lauer is such a brilliant "analyst" that Allegheny Capital was long on US and lost a ton in the first Chapter 11 filing.

You might as well quote a rock. It's track record is roughly on par with Lauer...

 

[OldGuyinPA]

With USA320 ...you never know which identity or which personality will show up...

Remember...As Nancy Reagan says...Just say NO.

 

[USA320Pilot]

OldGuyinPA:

OldGu said: 'Just say NO."

USA320Pilot asks: Can you tell me the benefits of your comment and the likely repercussions of that decision?

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

 

[700UW]

USA320Pilot asks: Can you tell me the benefits of your comment and the likely repercussions of that decision?
Respectfully,
USA320Pilot

Why should he answer you when you can't answer when someone proves you wrong?

 

[tadjr]

Tadjr:

In regard to your last post, Cav started this thread in regard to Dan Fitzpatrick's column in today's Post Gazette. If you do not care about the IAM than why are you posting in this topic?

Thread drift ring a bell?


As for the rests of the posts, I'll save you the time from not having to respond by not bothering to reply. Works well for both of us in that way.

 

[cavalier]

it's likely that US Airways and its legacy competitors may not exist to much longer.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

Captain: I am sure this is true but what I believe you are failing to understand is that a lot of employees have accepted this fact. It no longer scares employees, employees who are NOT stupid, THEY KNOW!!

You are only making yourself look stupid with the continuous ranting postings.

Each individual knows the score and all your non stop tirades only makes readers think you’re nuts, or at least have some sort of personal defect, like you have Tourette Syndrome that won't let you stop posting the obvious.

You are correct. NO ONE likes what's going on, and they also don't like the people in charge who use all sorts of unscrupulous means to get their way believing they are saving the airline when in reality they are sinking it by turning the very people away that they need now more then ever.

So captain. I know you are not a stupid man, but come off this crap because it’s doing nothing. What will be will be and you nor I will change that fact with postings. Do what you used to do, provide information without the irritating personal slant.

 

[cavalier]

Cav:

I appreciate your proverbs, but with all due respect you did not answer my question.

There are some people who post comments in this forum that I do not respond to. I no longer answer their questions or engage in debate with them because they lack decorum. You are not one of them, but with that said, if you elect to not answer my question that's o.k., however, in all sincerity I would like to ask you my question again.

If the company enters bankruptcy do you believe your work group will be better or worse off if you have to provide argument to the court on why your work group deserves pay and benefits higher than America West for a failed company?

Respectfully,

USA320pilot

I can answer that, and it's a very sincere answer. I NO LONGER CARE.

WHY? They went TOO damn far for me to care or bend over again, that's it.

 

[usfliboi]

Im sure it was clear as their jobs being transferred or lost. Theres no reason for them to vote Yes is there? I mean ist crystal clear to me, they need to fight, however, theres nothing gonna be left for them to fight for when its all said and done.

 

[USA320Pilot]

Cav:

You still did not answer my question, which indicates to me you you believe that you and most of your colleagues will be worse off. Do you not care about them too?

Can you tell me the employee benefit of a company liquidation?

I can understand if you do not care for yourself, but why hurt others if they want to work in this industry with an America West type of contract? Considering we have colleagues that are working at MDA, I am sure they would love to have a job at US Airways with America West type of pay and benefits, which would improve their quality of life.

For the mechanics, the company has offered to negotaite ways to cost effectively conduct maintenance in-house, but the IAM has refused to go to the bargaining table. Therefore, even with America West type of contracts, the mechanics can participate in the new business plan if they desire.

I guess what I’m trying to say is, if there are no new labor accords and the company is unsuccessful with a S.1113/S.1114 motion(s); as well as with a formal restructuring, then the company will likely file for Chapter 7. If the company is going to liquidate either way, then why stand in the way of those who want to work here? Why not leave rmployement, find something else to do with your time, and help somebody else obtain a better job even though you do not care about US Airways.

Respectfully,

USA320Pilot

 

[700UW]

I guess someone does just not get it.

America West farms out their heavy mtc.