Busdrvr,Jan 30 2005, 05:44 AM]
"The Samurai, in a fit of honor and integrity charge the new Imperial Japanese Army and their machine guns. Of course, they are slaughtered. They sure were honorable, but it didn't make them any less dead."
Well the mechanics wont die, they at worst will simply roll their boxes out the door and start working other jobs.
Reminds me of Galipoli (sp?)... Maybe I was in a differant military, but if a U.S. combatant commander needlessly led his troops on a suicide mission, I think we'd shoot him....
And if a combattant commander refused to fight at all he would probably be shot. So far no union has fought back. The members see this and the few union leaders who can be held accountable will be in due time for their cowardice.
This is just too comical to even get upset or angry about. And trust me on this, I honestly don't care at this point, my family will continue to eat. I'd just like to know what the HE11 you guys are thinking?!
Their families will eat too, I've been in contact with several mechanics that have been RIFed over the last couple of years, they ALL have found work and most are not coming back. They say they hads enough of all the BS and working nights, weekends and holidays.
First you got all hot and bothered about the pilots "negotiating" for you, now I bet you'll expect them to (ie honor an illegal strike).
What would make the strike illegal? The RLA is clear that workers can strike in the case of a major dispute where the company changes pay or working conditions.
Let me ask you something. If UAL folded tomorrow, would Glenn lose his home? If UAL folded, would Brace be unable to send his kids to college? If UAL folds, will McDonald take his life in dispare? You think it WILL happen to some of your "brothers"? It will.
Doubtful, you have to remember that mechanics bought homes based upon their pay, pay which they can get outside this industry.
Even worse, there's a pretty good chance that the company will say "strike, I DARE YOU", fire everyone who doesn't show, crush the AMFA, and put set it's power back about 50 years.
Thats a chance that workers always take when they choose to fight back. To me the risk and the setback is greater by not fighting back. If they accept these terms havent they set themselves back 50 years anyway?
How many U mechs are out of work? How many former UAL mechs are out of work? Do you expect guys to honor an illegal picket line? No one can "make you work", but they can fire you if you don't show. Do you lose all remaining company benefits then? Who do you think will pay the ultimate price? Is there a big market for Cabin cleaners out there?
What is that? An attempt to divide and conquer?
All the guys from the other companies high fiving you is even richer. What's the headcount of mechanics to jets at all those other places that claim to be "holding the line"?
I think that we are all high fiving them for doing what we wish we could have convinced our overhaul guys to do-SAY NO.
It's not about "payscales", it's about PAYROLLS.
To the unions is is because its not about how much the members earn but how much dues they supply to the union. This industry was always marked by huge swings in employment, unions used to maintain the wage and take the layoffs.
you think if UAL went away,
Do you think UAL will go away? Didnt Bush say that he could not allow the mechanics to strike in 2001 because they provided an essential service?
all those nearly new 320's and 777's will go to some wonderfully benevolent company who wants to hire up all the AMT's to keep em fixed? Or do you think some of them will be bought by someone who will bring in a minimal number of guys at year one wages, send all the heavy to El Salvador, and put even MORE pressure on industry Mech wages. Good luck guys, you're gonna need it....
And if the mechanics give in again what would prevent all that from happening anyway? If you really want to help the airlines and you think the mechanics have it so good why dont you convince all the pilots to work for mechanics wages? If they did I'm sure UAL would get all the savings they need. After all how much do the pilots at regional carriers make? The compensation disparity between pilots at major and regionals is much greater than the compensation disparity mechanics at these two classes of airlines.
"The Samurai, in a fit of honor and integrity charge the new Imperial Japanese Army and their machine guns. Of course, they are slaughtered. They sure were honorable, but it didn't make them any less dead."
Well the mechanics wont die, they at worst will simply roll their boxes out the door and start working other jobs.
Reminds me of Galipoli (sp?)... Maybe I was in a differant military, but if a U.S. combatant commander needlessly led his troops on a suicide mission, I think we'd shoot him....
And if a combattant commander refused to fight at all he would probably be shot. So far no union has fought back. The members see this and the few union leaders who can be held accountable will be in due time for their cowardice.
This is just too comical to even get upset or angry about. And trust me on this, I honestly don't care at this point, my family will continue to eat. I'd just like to know what the HE11 you guys are thinking?!
Their families will eat too, I've been in contact with several mechanics that have been RIFed over the last couple of years, they ALL have found work and most are not coming back. They say they hads enough of all the BS and working nights, weekends and holidays.
First you got all hot and bothered about the pilots "negotiating" for you, now I bet you'll expect them to (ie honor an illegal strike).
What would make the strike illegal? The RLA is clear that workers can strike in the case of a major dispute where the company changes pay or working conditions.
Let me ask you something. If UAL folded tomorrow, would Glenn lose his home? If UAL folded, would Brace be unable to send his kids to college? If UAL folds, will McDonald take his life in dispare? You think it WILL happen to some of your "brothers"? It will.
Doubtful, you have to remember that mechanics bought homes based upon their pay, pay which they can get outside this industry.
Even worse, there's a pretty good chance that the company will say "strike, I DARE YOU", fire everyone who doesn't show, crush the AMFA, and put set it's power back about 50 years.
Thats a chance that workers always take when they choose to fight back. To me the risk and the setback is greater by not fighting back. If they accept these terms havent they set themselves back 50 years anyway?
How many U mechs are out of work? How many former UAL mechs are out of work? Do you expect guys to honor an illegal picket line? No one can "make you work", but they can fire you if you don't show. Do you lose all remaining company benefits then? Who do you think will pay the ultimate price? Is there a big market for Cabin cleaners out there?
What is that? An attempt to divide and conquer?
All the guys from the other companies high fiving you is even richer. What's the headcount of mechanics to jets at all those other places that claim to be "holding the line"?
I think that we are all high fiving them for doing what we wish we could have convinced our overhaul guys to do-SAY NO.
It's not about "payscales", it's about PAYROLLS.
To the unions is is because its not about how much the members earn but how much dues they supply to the union. This industry was always marked by huge swings in employment, unions used to maintain the wage and take the layoffs.
you think if UAL went away,
Do you think UAL will go away? Didnt Bush say that he could not allow the mechanics to strike in 2001 because they provided an essential service?
all those nearly new 320's and 777's will go to some wonderfully benevolent company who wants to hire up all the AMT's to keep em fixed? Or do you think some of them will be bought by someone who will bring in a minimal number of guys at year one wages, send all the heavy to El Salvador, and put even MORE pressure on industry Mech wages. Good luck guys, you're gonna need it....
And if the mechanics give in again what would prevent all that from happening anyway? If you really want to help the airlines and you think the mechanics have it so good why dont you convince all the pilots to work for mechanics wages? If they did I'm sure UAL would get all the savings they need. After all how much do the pilots at regional carriers make? The compensation disparity between pilots at major and regionals is much greater than the compensation disparity mechanics at these two classes of airlines.
