Ual Mechs Vote No, Authorize Strike

[700UW]

The iam is there to support the members? Like at UAL when they allowed overhaul to close in Indy & Oak? Or at your airline when they threatened to strike if USAir contracted out about 5 Airbus overhauls? Only to retreat to their shadow realm when USAir called their bluff?
You truely are a iam sheep.

[post="243520"][/post]​

Funny you are not a US Airways employee nor is there US' AMTs at SAN, so I guess you just dream this stuff up?

Did the UAL IAM Contract have protections to keep IND open?

And the UAL M&R group voted the concessions in that let UAL close OAK.

The organization is only as strong as the membership lets it be.

And the mechanics at US Airways have no gonads to strike the carrier when they sent the First ONE, not five as you claim.

How would it look for the leadership to be on strike while the spineless mechanics cross the picket line in droves?

You are have no idea of what happened at US and UAL, stick to being a arm chair QB.

 

[Bear96]

Oh lordy, if this thread is going to degenerate (oops too late) into another 700UW last-word-fest, please spare us UA-ers and put this back on the U board ...

 

[The Ronin]

You think UAL going away is going to stem the tide of horrendous losses across the industry? It won't, and management will keep coming for your money, and in the end, you will still be competing against some guy in Singapore who has a better education than you and costs a third as much.

And a pilot who will fly it there....

For a guy who was annoyed that ALPA elected to negotiate for you, I find it interesting that you are willing to sacrifice everybody's job for your "integrity".

You must have me confused with someone else....

I'm all for an organized retreat. Then we can adapt to the new world and live to fight another day

Only heard of one example of this...Chesty Puller's march from the Chosin Reservoir when the Army buckled and ran leaving him surrounded and alone with the Chinese bent on destroying him....but then again, I doubt you'd remember men of such metal....

 

[mweiss]

Then there's Sam Houston...almost another example.

 

[The Ronin]

Once again, you bring this down on AMFA??? Amfa did not petition this, or at least I never saw or heard anything from them. I am sure they are shocked as I when the results were announced. So you want to scream and yell at human beings that supposedly live in a democracy about they way they voted??? There was no nobility about this, just a decision made by individuals in regards to their JOB. Get your nose out of the clouds bud. If they don't want to do it, they don't want to do it......

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

The only "GOOD" concessionary agreement is a "DEAD" concessionary agreement!

 

[Bob Owens]

And the UAL M&R group voted the concessions in that let UAL close OAK.

The organization is only as strong as the membership lets it be.

And the mechanics at US Airways have no gonads to strike the carrier when they sent the First ONE, not five as you claim.

How would it look for the leadership to be on strike while the spineless mechanics cross the picket line in droves?

You are have no idea of what happened at US and UAL, stick to being a arm chair QB.

[post="243584"][/post]​

There you go again blaming the members for poor leadership.

You pretty much admit that the leaders have no faith in the members, what makes you think the mechanics would cross in droves? The fact is that your leaders are too cowardly to find out arent they?

When have the members ever failed the leaders when it came to being willing to fight? If I recall the mechanics at USAIR rejected concessions the first time only to have the IAM jam another vote down their throats.

 

[Winglet]

When all the shouting's over, I'll bet that the UAL mechs will drop trou just like the U mechs did.

 

[Busdrvr]

"The Samurai, in a fit of honor and integrity charge the new Imperial Japanese Army and their machine guns. Of course, they are slaughtered. They sure were honorable, but it didn't make them any less dead."

Reminds me of Galipoli (sp?)... Maybe I was in a differant military, but if a U.S. combatant commander needlessly led his troops on a suicide mission, I think we'd shoot him....

This is just too comical to even get upset or angry about. And trust me on this, I honestly don't care at this point, my family will continue to eat. I'd just like to know what the HE11 you guys are thinking?!

First you got all hot and bothered about the pilots "negotiating" for you, now I bet you'll expect them to (ie honor an illegal strike).

Let me ask you something. If UAL folded tomorrow, would Glenn lose his home? If UAL folded, would Brace be unable to send his kids to college? If UAL folds, will McDonald take his life in dispare? You think it WILL happen to some of your "brothers"? It will. Even worse, there's a pretty good chance that the company will say "strike, I DARE YOU", fire everyone who doesn't show, crush the AMFA, and put set it's power back about 50 years. How many U mechs are out of work? How many former UAL mechs are out of work? Do you expect guys to honor an illegal picket line? No one can "make you work", but they can fire you if you don't show. Do you lose all remaining company benefits then? Who do you think will pay the ultimate price? Is there a big market for Cabin cleaners out there?

All the guys from the other companies high fiving you is even richer. What's the headcount of mechanics to jets at all those other places that claim to be "holding the line"? It's not about "payscales", it's about PAYROLLS. you think if UAL went away, all those nearly new 320's and 777's will go to some wonderfully benevolent company who wants to hire up all the AMT's to keep em fixed? Or do you think some of them will be bought by someone who will bring in a minimal number of guys at year one wages, send all the heavy to El Salvador, and put even MORE pressure on industry Mech wages. Good luck guys, you're gonna need it....

 

[MCI transplant]

Once again, you bring this down on AMFA??? Amfa did not petition this, or at least I never saw or heard anything from them. I am sure they are shocked as I when the results were announced. So you want to scream and yell at human beings that supposedly live in a democracy about they way they voted??? There was no nobility about this, just a decision made by individuals in regards to their JOB. Get your nose out of the clouds bud. If they don't want to do it, they don't want to do it......

[post="243615"][/post]​

<_< Ronin------ Your getting a lot of attention here! And you'll get more! It seems the AMT's at United have done the "Unthinkable"! They've just said no! Don't think for a second the rest of the big boys at that other Majors aren't watching! You've got their attention, and that makes them uncomfortable! You're taking some heat here , and will take more before it's over! I respect all of you for that!!!! It's something that has to be done! Good Luck to you all! Signed: "Just anotherone of a.a.'s redheaded stepchildren!"

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

Busdrvr,Winglet, what are you gonna do when Robotic piloted airliners are used to outsource the ALPA? If you think it won't happen, THINK AGAIN! It's gonna happen and there is nothing the "untouchable" ALPA can do about it! The ALPA has stepped over other unions picket lines so many times that many people,including me, consider the ALPA a management collaborating scab union. When the ALPA goes on strike to stop robotic airliner outsourcing,who is going to come to your aid?

 

[kcabpilot]

"The Samurai, in a fit of honor and integrity charge the new Imperial Japanese Army and their machine guns. Of course, they are slaughtered. They sure were honorable, but it didn't make them any less dead."

This is just too comical to even get upset or angry about. And trust me on this, I honestly don't care at this point, my family will continue to eat. I'd just like to know what the HE11 you guys are thinking?!

Good luck guys, you're gonna need it....

[post="243662"][/post]​

Well Bus, you seem unreasonably upset over this issue and I can't figure out why.

There's a misconception here in that you and others think that we Mechanics have a lot to lose. Most of us are only still here because of family - kids in school or, in my case, an 85 year old widowed mother. There are very few of us here for the money or the job so get over that fantasy right now and face this fact: we are going to STRIKE this company if they dare to abrogate or modify our contract without consent.

Those are the cold hard facts that face the industry. You can brush it aside but just like the tsunami - there's a BIG ASS wave headed this way.

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

Every battle wasn't won on bravery alone, you need strategic plan to go with it.  I'm all for independence so we can do whatever we want to but to call somebody a coward that's disrespectful.  If bravery to you is fighting something you know you can't win then so be it.  Even great generals plan their battles carefully and nobody called them a coward.  But don't worry my friend you shall soon see whether you made the right decision or not.

[post="243566"][/post]​

And thats just it you are leaving nothing to fight for. You want to surrender to 2010 with a strategic plan to regroup at that later date hoping against all hope that the tide has changed favorable to you? I have to agree you are a coward. For you to tell the troops who decided to fight the battle that they have lost is most cowardace. You have to remember just because you seem to be losing a battle it doesn't mean you have lost it. Bullies take cowards money time after time because they know they are afraid of them. Its when you fight back and give resistance that you can stop him from coming back time after time and then make him come up with a different way to get what he wants. In this case hopefully deciding to run a more efficient company to make up the differense. You rather give him everything and hope you don't see him for six years when in reality whenhe is done spending your money he will return because he knows you are afraid and will give it up willingly.

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

And the mechanics at US Airways have no gonads to strike the carrier when they sent the First ONE, not five as you claim.

[post="243584"][/post]​

If you insist on using your one-liner no gonads remark you need to add and related to the mechanics. Last time I checks utility and stores voted with mechanics at USAirways and unless you checked every ballot you have no idea who voted what. My two-cents say that utility voted a majority yes because the company scared them into buying the vote yes or you get no contract no severance scenario.

 

[usairways_vote_NO]

When all the shouting's over, I'll bet that the UAL mechs will drop trou just like the U mechs did.

[post="243659"][/post]​

I agree but for something somewhat better then was offered in the TA and thats what its all about isn't it? I mean does anyone employed by UAL want them to fail? Probably not.