TWU walks away

[700UW]

Once again Bob you you dont know what happened.

Guess you forgot the judge abrogated the CBA for Fleet Service and the company was free to impose any terms and conditions for employment.

The company offered up a final offer for the fleet service members to vote on, they voted on it and ratified it.

When you are going to understand this and when are you going to understand that section 1113 c of the bankruptcy code protects the company not the employees?

 

[700UW]

No one knows if the IAM backed off at CO.

It is just pure speculation from some of the posters, not facts to back it up.

And the IAM all ready represents the Flight Attendants at CAL who are the highest paid in the industry, I doubt they will be backing off.

And let me explain this to you, it took four union votes on US property for them to become union, and it took three years after US pillaged them. The workers decertified the ibt after the merger because they did not get the 50%+1 to remain union. At HP it took two votes, the first one failed and the NMB ruled company interference and there was a 2nd voted and the twu just squeeked in.

There was a very strong chance of no one getting the 50%+1 total and the new US would be non-union on the ramp once again.

 

[stormchaser]

Hey Timmy ............ Where are you now? What did I tell you. The TWU would be bought out you can take it to the bank. Look you are stuck with the IAM so lets stick together and get as good a transition agreement as possible.
And to you Timmy REGARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Tim Nelson]

Spoken like a true defeated spoiled brat :rant: , go find some other group to manipulate, you lost here and we've had enough of your half-truths and lies.

Jimmy, everyone lost here unless one believes the IAM is a difference maker.

At any rate, no sour grapes. I got to give the IAM points for 'pantsing' the TWU.

regards,

 

[Tim Nelson]

Hey Timmy ............ Where are you now? What did I tell you. The TWU would be bought out you can take it to the bank. Look you are stuck with the IAM so lets stick together and get as good a transition agreement as possible.
And to you Timmy REGARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

exactly what are your options to make US AIRWAYS want to do anything other than merge seniority and other housekeeping matters?

Stormchaser, don't be delusional and think a transition agreement is anything other than a transitional agreement. Off hand my guess is the IAM will even screw up the seniority thing.

The contract is the best contract the company ever saw. Don't believe 700 who is now suggesting the IAM will do anything more than put together dues figures. In fact, not even superman can stand up against this judge abrogated contract until 4 more years is up.

Hopefully, workers will be able to vote on any transition agreement. That could actually be fun.

regards,

 

[700UW]

Like I said, keep spewing misinformation.

How many transition agreements have you been part of tim?

ZERO!

I have been part of three and every single one has had improvements.

Why do you continue to post misinformation?

And the IAM always uses Dovetailing, cant screw that up.

 

[robbedagain]

Barbee, Lakefield was actually given the company as a real mess. he did what he could but in the end he felt he had no choice. just my two cents but it was really wolf and seigel who screwed the company very badly. it wasa nowonder lakefield had to do what he did, even though it makes us mad but in the end I am sure he thinks he did the right thing. oh well :mellow:

 

[wings396]

Do you not understand there will be a transition agreement negotiated?

So why have you kept telling everyone that the IAM CBA will remain intact all along?? What does the current CBA have to say about outsourcing of class 2 stations???
How good can a transition agreement be, and how long will it last?? You have been around long enough to know that the Company can't wait to contract out another 20 or so stations, and to shed some more top scale employees. Do you really think that the Outsourcing clause will EVER be removed from the contract language??? By the time 2009 rolls around everthing that can be outsourced will be done.
Once those jobs are gone, they are gone for good. Even IF some type of miracle takes place, it may prevent future outsourcing, but won't undo what has already been done. :down:
Transition means to slowly go from one point to another, and that other point is the current IAM CBA...you know it, and so does everyone else. Many jobs in the West will be lost once this "Transition" takes place.

 

[700UW]

I have always said the IAM/CBA will be the surviving CBA, and a transition agreement gets negotiated.

It will be the exisiting CBA with modifications.

I believe you will get some work back, just as in maintenance the 50% of the 737s they outsourced came back in-house and that is without a transition agreement yet.

I believe the west stations will remain intact.

 

[wings396]

I have always said the IAM/CBA will be the surviving CBA, and a transition agreement gets negotiated.

It will be the exisiting CBA with modifications.

I believe you will get some work back, just as in maintenance the 50% of the 737s they outsourced came back in-house and that is without a transition agreement yet.

I believe the west stations will remain intact.

Getting 737 work back will enable employess to return to work, since their MTC base is still there. Once a station has gone by the wayside, it doesnt just come back. I have yet to see any station that was closed, expressed, or outsourced come back to life for Mainline employees. The West stations may survive for a while, but not for the long term. You can't have one set of rules for 1/2 the system, after the rest have been screwed. If the west stations get to stay, bring back the outsourced east stations too...Oh, wait I forgot the IAM is going to be working on this deal.... 😱

On an "upbeat" note, there are plenty of positions to transfer into in PHX. That is an option if one wishes to pursue it. It's a shame that field station employees will lose their jobs as Wolf, Siegel, Lakefield et al couldn't run an airline and the IAM membership and leaders could not find it in their capacity to do the right thing.

I'm sure there will be jobs for some of these people in PHX, but not all are in a position to pick up and move. There were plenty of positions for the east people in PHL too, but who wanted to go to that Dump...

 

[700UW]

Yes you can have two sets of rules, it is called grandfathering, something that some of the HP stations have now.

The IAM along with former TWU reps will be in transition negotiations.

 

[brown]

Give us facts as why it is sellout?

Come on Bob, you are not a TWU nor an IAM member.

Nothing has changed yet, the IAM will get TWU reps to assist and negotiate a Transition Agreement with US and preserve the HP small stations.

This is not the first time the IAM has negotiated a transition agreement.

Since you are not an east employee barbee.

Go educate yourself on what happened.

US filed Chapter 11 twice in less then two years, the court abrogated the CBA, the company offered the membership a final offer to vote, which the company did not have to do, the membership voted on it and accepted it, the choice was put in their hands by a democratic vote to accept or reject it, they accepted it. The members made the choice, not the IAM.

But hey don't let the facts get in your way, instead of spewing hatred, work together to secure the best CBA you can with the transition negotiations, if you infight the only winner will be the airline and not the employees.

 

[wings396]

Yes you can have two sets of rules, it is called grandfathering, something that some of the HP stations have now.

The IAM along with former TWU reps will be in transition negotiations.

Would this be like the "Grandfathering" that the MLE stations were GOING to have in the current CBA??
That is until it was removed at the last minute by the company while the IAM sat idle on the sidelines...

 

[700UW]

Apparently you never been to the bankruptcy court and attended any of Judge Mitchell's hearings.

The IAM and its lawyers were in court everyday fighting for the membership, I know I attended some hearings.

The company did not want to reach a T/A, the judge abrogated the contract, the company was free to impose anything they wanted at that time, they threw out a final offer to the membership and the membership ratified it.

You seem to fail to understand the bankruptcy laws are made to protect the creditors and the company and to hell with the employees.

Why after so much time and two bankruptcies do you posters still don't get it?

 

[robbedagain]

if the West Employees were former TWU, does their contract stay in place even while the IAM is now their union until a new deal is put in place?