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The pension plan is not a concession, it was gain for the employees.
Nelson ........ What company that you have mentioned in your posts went from union to non-union and back to union? By comparing us to any others does not make alot of your points valid. Granted we make less than some other carriers, but the point I was trying to make is that if we were non-union at the time we would be making less with less benefits than we are now given that we all still had jobs. And quit making me sound like I am sticking up for the IAM. I agree that they should be off the property but if my only other choice is no union than I have no choice. Tell me what union you would like to see represent us. Or do you think that this company is going to bring your pay and benefits up to the top levels of the industry just because you vote the union out. Good boy Nelson, you helped us get rid of the union so we are going to crank up your pay and benefits to show our appreciation!DUH!!!!!!!!!I'm sure you have lots to say.
Sorry but anyone that thinks the company paying money in to a group's pension plan is not taken in to consideration of concessions or benefits is sorely mistaken.
Catagorize it how you want. You can look at it as a gain to the employees, but that gain comes at a cost overall. i.e maybe a little less in hourly wage, or less of an insurance copay, or a less liberal scheduling system...etc.
Every sentence of every page of every contract agreement of every unionized group, comes with a cost.
If you can't recognize this the company and the union will take you for a ride.
Guess you cant read, I said every legacy except two have not been in bankruptcy: American and Continental.
Legacies that have or are in Chapter 11, US(2), DL, UA, NW.
Look at 92 is all I have to say.
Lets look at your track record.
You tried so start your own union filed short of cards and cause a one year bar during that bar the bloodbath of 1992 happened.
Then you try to sell your name list to the ibt for a job, they refuse you.
The IAM comes into power, your get a grievance committee job, and then you start your own path again, the company tries to fire you over your web page (The Big Picture) and the IAM saves your job.
Then you start FSU and raid the IAM, the IAM removes you from grievance job as you promote duel unionism, that fails once again, then you start the AGW which raids the IAM again, you fail once again. You appoint yourself into leadership roles with both failed unions you tried to start.
And according to sources in the TWU in PHX you have approached them, it took the TWU local President in DFW to contact the PHX local to let them know you tried to raid American Airlines.
Funny how you sugarcoat what transpired.
During the Fleet Service campaign numerous ibt supporters told the IAM and USWA exactly about you, don't you remember the ibt gave their support to the IAM when they failed to reach the runoff.
You filed short, not withdrawn, that is they there was a one year bar, the NMB dismissed your petition.
Now lets see how is clouding the issue.
The twu in PHX was contacted by the DFW president and informed them of you raiding AA.
And why did you not respond to your removal of office and the two other unions you started?
One more thing, you swore an oath to uphold the IAM constitution yet you were convicted of dual unionism, does your word mean anything?
The IAM has never filed short on card in the Airline Industry.
And why did you completely ignore the airlines and the economic conditions?
Guess you cant read, I said every legacy except two have not been in bankruptcy: American and Continental.
Legacies that have or are in Chapter 11, US(2), DL, UA, NW.
Look at 92 is all I have to say.
The IAM had done plenty for fleet service, but you would rather tear it apart then to admit the economics of the industry has caused the problems and not the IAM.
Before 9/11 the IAM has done plenty for Fleet Service:
Gauranteed Raises
Vacation
Sick time
OJI protection
Greivance Procedure
Scope Language protections to stop the outsourcing
You know all those things that you helped the company take away from your fellow Fleet Service Brothers and Sisters, or did you conviently forget that?
Post 9/11 and bankrtupcy the IAM was an advocate for fleet service, you got a pension out of it and the company was forced to let your fleet service brothers and sisters vote on any concessions and if my memory serves me right they ratified concessions three times, even after the IAM's Fleet Service CBA was abrogated.
Last time I checked the twu took massive concessions at AA without being in bankruptcy and at HP they have the lowest cost contract of the airlines.
9/11 and two bankruptcies have certainly takens its toll on the airlines and its employees but you would rather forget about that and attack the IAM then to accept the reality of economy.
IAM Pension, protected the majority of the scope language, stood up for the members against the company in court during both the bankruptcies.
You still have the grievance procedure, safety and health provisions and everything else in your contract and have not gone back to being employees at will where the company can change things daily like they did when the PPG was in effect.
But unfortunately there were casualties since the laws protect the companies and not the employees.
And that is just for fleet, not M&R where we still do the majority of heavy mtc in-house.