TWU vs. AMP Debate Comments

[Vortilon]

RE: Post #8 by CIO


I find this to be of significant interest. The CAPA announced on July 27,2010 an alliance with the TWU/AFL-CIO in addressing security and safety issues through the development of the American Aviation Labor Alliance. It seems the APA has noticed the importance of Union alliances.

I read that APA and APFA are somehow models for AMP. But, as I look around the industry and I don’t see any mechanic and related group at a major carrier represented by an in-house union. I doubt this is a coincidence. We face very different problems and they simply don’t face the same kind of threats of foreign and domestic outsourcing. But, I know that both unions want the support of the AFL-CIO and the rest of the labor movement and have asked the TWU to help them. I also know that the APFA is now the last of the in-house flight attendant unions. The rest are part of AFA, the IBT, or the TWU.

Here is a link that you really need to read.:

http://www.capapilot...tions-announced

Big wow for the TWU - what better late than never? Once AMP is finally put into place, we can finally stop wasting our dues money on supporting politicians and waste of time causes that do not benefit the membership at all. Furthermore, there is no reason why AMP could not join the same alliance or a similar cause, and throw our support behind it to benefit the membership.

You know, when I get the TWU express in the mail - I can barely stand to read it. On almost every issue they support, I oppose. The TWU is into so much crap outside of what they should be focusing on, it's a wonder they can even pull of this facade of representing us.

(Deleted by Moderator: Questioning the motives of another member.)

 

[KUKUY]

Big wow for the TWU - what better late than never? Once AMP is finally put into place, we can finally stop wasting our dues money on supporting politicians and waste of time causes that do not benefit the membership at all. Furthermore, there is no reason why AMP could not join the same alliance or a similar cause, and throw our support behind it to benefit the membership.

You know, when I get the TWU express in the mail - I can barely stand to read it. On almost every issue they support, I oppose. The TWU is into so much crap outside of what they should be focusing on, it's a wonder they can even pull of this facade of representing us.

(Deleted by Moderator: Questioning the motives of another member.)

 

[KUKUY]

Supporting politicians that promote labor is not a waste of money. If that was the case The National Association of Manufacturers would not spend millions fighting labor. Where do you think the laws come from that hinder labor and labor’s causes? NAM has the money to lobby for those laws and the money to put politicians in office to make those anti-laws (Taft/Hartley). Forming coalitions and concerning oneself with the political and economic condition of this nation is essential to the survival of any association, coalitions or union. Now does AMP plan on participating on that level?
I am a 30 yr. member of The TWU, Title II, steward 20yr. From ELP Title III, 1988 transferred to TitleII at DFW and 8yrs. Active US Naval service in aviation (F4 & F14) repair, home base NAS Miramar,California

 

[High Speed Steel]

Big wow for the TWU - what better late than never? Once AMP is finally put into place, we can finally stop wasting our dues money on supporting politicians and waste of time causes that do not benefit the membership at all. Furthermore, there is no reason why AMP could not join the same alliance or a similar cause, and throw our support behind it to benefit the membership.

You know, when I get the TWU express in the mail - I can barely stand to read it. On almost every issue they support, I oppose. The TWU is into so much crap outside of what they should be focusing on, it's a wonder they can even pull of this facade of representing us.

(Deleted by Moderator: Questioning the motives of another member.)

What does the AMP provide that would strike the interest of the CAPA?

 

[Frank Szabo]

RE: Post #8 by CIO


I find this to be of significant interest. The CAPA announced on July 27,2010 an alliance with the TWU/AFL-CIO in addressing security and safety issues through the development of the American Aviation Labor Alliance. It seems the APA has noticed the importance of Union alliances.

I read that APA and APFA are somehow models for AMP. But, as I look around the industry and I don’t see any mechanic and related group at a major carrier represented by an in-house union. I doubt this is a coincidence. We face very different problems and they simply don’t face the same kind of threats of foreign and domestic outsourcing. But, I know that both unions want the support of the AFL-CIO and the rest of the labor movement and have asked the TWU to help them. I also know that the APFA is now the last of the in-house flight attendant unions. The rest are part of AFA, the IBT, or the TWU.

Here is a link that you really need to read.:

http://www.capapilot...tions-announced

Reference Post # 66 by HSS

Went to the other link and it did work - thanks.

Offering an opinion, what I see is no more than another group trolling for financial support under the guise of working for the supposed "benefit" of the worker.

Aside from the standard collection/pooling of funds that have no accountability attached and the usual suspects that crawl out of the woodwork when said funds are floating around, I see little to be enthused about other than taking notice of the players.

It's a fact the US Congress is the finest money can buy, as is the AFL-CIO and other large labor organizations. Both groups will, as usual, act upon the best interests of their own bank accounts and damn the citizens' opinions.

The aviation industry, both the aircraft makers and the airlnes, have long been a means of support for the middle class of America but now, we have Globalists attempting to change things.

It is far easier, in their minds, to reduce the American standard of living to that of the rest of the world than it is to raise the world's standard of living to ours, therefore, what we know as the American Middle Class has to take a hit. The Aviation Industries, being the last bastion of the middle class, gets to go away. What better way to accomplish this than to send American jobs overseas?

All the money of the USA labor organizations combined can't make a dent in what the Globalists can provide to the "for sale" lawmakers of Washington, DC., but those labor orgs. can get quite a chunk of change for themselves - that sounds more like what's going on here.

I have little (no pun intended) trust for any labor organization (and their activities) at this point thanks to my years at American watching the TWU lie to its membership with no fear of being accountable. I've been in other unions and never have I seen such "in your face" disregard of the membership's wishes as I have since I hired on at American in 1990.

The simple fact the TWU is involved in this effort outlined in the article makes the effort, to me, extremely suspect as to its motivation.

 

[High Speed Steel]

I'd love to read it - please fix your link.

Don't know what to do with the link but if you will go to debate forum and click on CAPA link provided by CIO in post #8 should take you right to it. Since we cannot reply in the debate forum must have some effect on copy paste from that forum...Maybe a Ralph deal, I'm not sure...

 

[777 fixer]

One question I have is who does AMP have in mind when they say "Professional Negotiator and Legal Council retained and utilized for negotiations."

 

[aapitbull]

One question I have is who does AMP have in mind when they say "Professional Negotiator and Legal Council retained and utilized for negotiations."

It willl be up to the national officers anr the board of directors to interview and select the individuals to be hired to filll these postions.

 

[Frank Szabo]

One question I have is who does AMP have in mind when they say "Professional Negotiator and Legal Council retained and utilized for negotiations."

There are numerous firms (similar to the management consulting firms the board and Arpey love so well) that do this type of work - there are literally hundreds to choose from.

The biggest trick would be finding a firm not likely to accept a bribe from your opponent - after all, these are the white-collar type.

 

[aapitbull]

Gentlemen

I have made AMP's post I'm sorry it took so long I will be posting again tomorrow

Pitbull

 

[eolesen]

Guys, why is Informer so quiet? Did something happened with his wife that we don't know about?

 

[777 fixer]

It willl be up to the national officers anr the board of directors to interview and select the individuals to be hired to filll these postions.

So in other words they have no idea.

 

[aapitbull]

So in other words they have no idea.

No there are many labor law firms that do this kind of thing providing lawyers accounts and other services you ask me to name which one we will use and I said we will have to interview and pick one.

 

[PlayTheOdds]

These questions are for CIO and aapitbull,

With the possibility of a strike looming at AA, does AMP and the TWU have a strike fund currently available?

In the event of a strike will the members that are on strike be required to pay dues?

 

[Frank Szabo]

Re: Post #13

Pitbull,

Why not compare apples to apples, What happens if both Unions de-certify?

One location for all monies = Loss of local autonomy, plane and simple.

More to follow,

In Solidarity,
CIO
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If both unions should decertify, local autonomy won't be an issue as there 's nothing there to be autonomous.

At that point, the company may well "autonomous" the hell out of you ...