TWU talks strike vote

[TWU informer]

Well we had about 24 months of secret negotiations and about 10 months of not so secret worthless negotiations. I am impressed to say the least at the T/A after such lengthy talks.

And none of us really know what took place during this time frame.

 

[eolesen]

They allow management to have lifetime letters for those situations, but at the very least don't close the CR-1(lifetime 1st step) loophole in exchange. How pathetic can they be.

There's never been any such thing as a lifetime first step that I'm aware of, and I doubt PPC has changed much in the past five years....

The CR-1 is supposed to be nothing more than a record of a discussion that took place, whether it is positive or negative, and it's supposed to reflect what both sides say in the discussion. They're also supposed to be written *after* the discussion....

When an advisory is issued, a CR-1 entry can be made to acknowledge the discussion taking place regarding the issuance of the advisory, but that's the extent.

I've seen where some idiots have put the contents of the advisory into a CR-1, which is sheer ignorance, and against policy. Grieve it, and demand it be redacted to fit policy.

I've also seen people insist that employees sign the CR-1. If it's written before the discussion took place, don't sign it, and grieve it as an editorial comment as opposed to a record of discussion..... Demand it be removed to reflect the intent of the CR-1...

 

[Tex-Mech]

There's never been any such thing as a lifetime first step that I'm aware of, and I doubt PPC has changed much in the past five years....

The CR-1 is supposed to be nothing more than a record of a discussion that took place, whether it is positive or negative, and it's supposed to reflect what both sides say in the discussion. They're also supposed to be written *after* the discussion....

CR1's at AFW are always negative, no such thing as a positive CR1 here. It is also used years later(beyond the contractual 2) for further discipline, so therefore I say a lifetime 1st step in the discipline process. You can only grieve to make the language correct, and it never is removed. I've seen guys get 2nd steps here, and they used CR1's that were written 6 years ago as part of the progressive process. In other words "you were warned in 2003" and since you had another incident, we will go straight to a second step instead.

 

[OgieJFK]

CR1's at AFW are always negative, no such thing as a positive CR1 here. It is also used years later(beyond the contractual 2) for further discipline, so therefore I say a lifetime 1st step in the discipline process. You can only grieve to make the language correct, and it never is removed. I've seen guys get 2nd steps here, and they used CR1's that were written 6 years ago as part of the progressive process. In other words "you were warned in 2003" and since you had another incident, we will go straight to a second step instead.

Its the same way in JFK FSC with the CR-1s. Never a positive, always a negative that is used against you down the line.

 

[Bob Owens]

They allow management to have lifetime letters for those situations, but at the very least don't close the CR-1(lifetime 1st step) loophole in exchange. How pathetic can they be.

Bob O.
I do notice that this article was agreed to a year earlier, so why wasn't this brought out in the open when it was first agreed upon, and what was the vote to agree to this article?

http://aa.twu.org/tentativeagreements/(Union%20Version)%20Mechanic%20and%20Related%20Article%2028.TA.pdf


Correction, it was agreed to in Dec. 2007, but only scanned for us to see in March 2009

http://aa.twu.org/oldupdates/ContractNegotiationsCommunicationFinal12-3-07.pdf

It also appears to be the unions proposal from the session before that was accepted by the company.



The next session management accepted the proposal

I started in Jan of 2009. The turnover I got from the President I replaced did not include any documentation of what took place before I got there. I recieved a copy of "the books" after around 3 months. Admittedly I did not get the chance to review the books.

I agree that the CR-1 is yet another one of the pro-company loopholes that our union has granted the company but admittedly I would consider that to be of a lower priority than pay and benifits. We've lived with that for decades, it could wait. I would have opted to stay with book on that.

Another concern is the change in Time limits for grievances, the companys clock starts with possession at every step, the members starts with when the company mails it. This costs us days, we could lose grievances because of a late mail delivery. I caught this when we were told to review the language, was told it would be fixed but the language went unchanged.