Twu Participation For Change!

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

Time for Change, why are you so against change when your alias says otherwise?

You have indicated you have tried, can you eplain what you have tried? What 15 years of concessions, Have you gone to the street? are you one of the thousand that showed up recently to interveiw at AAR? I believe the starting wage will be below our wages with no retirement. Can you expand on these issues?

Thanks,

I am not against change.

The fact is there is no change with the twu it has been concession after concession for the last 12 years at AA.

Then I had the pleasure of 5 years of concessions at Pan American with the twu.


The street was easy. I survived in 1991 and again at AA in 1994. I said it before the only thing that changes is the color of that tail.

The street and no job is not the problem. The problem is the constant concessions the twu negotiates every time.


I have tried to get rid of these bums who degrade my profession. I pushed for the card signing in MIA and LGA.

I have learned years ago there is no hope with an industrial union such as the twu that is a fact.

It is too late to change the twu. The letter from chicken little is garbage. How many times must you get raped before you have had enough.

It is people like you that aren't willing to fight for a decent wage or for what your profession is really worth. You will work for minimum wage but thats OK so long as you have a job.

You are a coward. h34r:

 

[Checking it Out]

Kevin, maybe you need reminded of what Jim Little wrote:

I have asked the AFL-CIO and Abernathy Associates to assist the ATD with developing our Membership Outreach Program

One key issue I learned is once you lose contact with the members you lose the ability to represent. I believe Little is making every effort into designing a program to keep up to date on the members wishes. Mr. Little has extended his hand and I hope the members take the time to express their concerns.

It does not say Ray Abernathy, a spokesman for the afl-cio.

Mr Abernathy has been involved with the TWU at the request of the members, Many have asked for change and advice was needed. I have seen many times where he has helped. And I do see where the International as listened.
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I don't think quickly making up some cards for Ray Abernathy is going to cut the mustard but, you are welcome to try and deceive the membership again.

Please expand on this, where do you believe he will deceive the members?

If there is another possibility, explain!!!

Remember it takes all of us to make the wheel turn, together collectively we can make a difference. I have put forth suggestions and some have been used and others rejected. just because I or you suggest something doesn't necessary make it a good idea. Just look at our local president, he believes he's doing the right thing but the vast majority thinks otherwise. So he will be leaving office and we will have a new President.

 

[Checking it Out]

AMFA has never been my typical answer and you know it. Again you are a liar.

Buck, I did get you to respond? Sometimes It takes a little to hit a nerve. I don't believe I have lied. I have seen you in the past respond in this manor.

You cannot change the TWU when it is ran by the International that has no interests in the mechanic craft and class. The TWU cannot change as long as it claims to adhere to the policies of the AFL-CIO. So I would push for the removal of the affiliation to the AFL-CIO. The political clout you state that they have has not achieved anything for the mechanic craft and class in the airline industry nor the labor movement in general for a long time. This is why the members may register democrat here at TUL, but they vote their convictions at election time.

Are you aware that the TWU Locals membership gives direction to the International? Are you aware we elect delegates to go to the different conventions to represent us? This is why it is so important on who you elect to these positions.

I also believe we need to have a better accountability of what these individuals do when they're at these functions. Two things I would like is to have a report from the members who attend these conventions and publish them for everyone to see. We have a problem now where our president fails to keep us better informed of the discussions.

The membership is not as clueless as you believe, they will do the right thing. When the AFL-CIO remembers that the mechanic craft and class of the airline industry are interested in being represented and the AFL-CIO shows some backbone, the membership will respond. Strength in numbers can only be exercised when you have unity and what unionism is, that has been forgotten at least at TUL All the current TWU does is separate the membership. Concessions must stop!

The membership is smart! I have learned they will do the right thing when the time comes. The mechanic Class and Craft is made up of many members. They are Technicians and specialist at what they do. Whether it is washing the plane or working on that 3500 dollar door!

We pay a fee to be part of the AFL-CIO, with the 100+ lobbyist or the education department the fee we pay is well returned. I or you will not agree 100% on everything they do but by far the return on investment is good. They have played a major part in getting the politicians involved to retain work for the membership. We have seen first hand shoe leather does not work at other groups. We need the guidance of the AFL-CIO.

Did you vote for Jim Cook?

No, I supported Dennis Burchette. And I will support whoever makes it in office! The membership is the ultimate decision maker.


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TWU or the company whats the difference!

Can you expand on this issue? What would you like to see different in order to have a more defined division?

 

[Checking it Out]

OK Kevin You have forced me in to it you are a liar. Pick your sorry ass up and come by dock 5A. Bring your contract and show me the starting wage for Mechanic and OSM's than show me the last time AA hired a full mechanic at Tulsa and we will call AAR on my cell phone and compare.

Mark, you are welcome to come visit when I can return to work. AAR had over a 1000 applications in a short time the other day for 200 positions. I suspect that will increase dramatically. And I also believe Amfa represented laid off members made up the majority. Can you explain to us why I am a Liar and what do you base your facts on?

You can visit several sites to compare wages. If you take the average for each job description you will find out at AA we make above the average in wages and benefits. Thats not saying we can do better. But with the increase competition in the Industry I believe we have kept control of our destiny. Unlike other carriers. I also believe when the time is right we will continue the upward trend. I hope in order to do this we do not have to change jobs every few years because we made a mistake and forced AA out of Business.

I believe several OSM"S will be upgraded next week! And American Eagle continues to hire full time AMT'S.



NO VOTE NO PEACE!!!

This we differ on, I believe the Majority of eligible voters have made a decision by not signing a card, as determined by the NMB. That in itself is a vote.

 

[TonyB]

A little something from Abernathy Associates. :down: :down: :down: :down:

 

[Rusty]

Ok Kevin You have forced me in to it you are a liar. Pick your sorry ass up and come by dock 5A. Bring your contract and show me the starting wage for Mechanic and OSM's than show me the last time AA hired a full mechanic at Tulsa and we will call AAR on my cell phone and compare. NO VOTE :angry: NO PEACE!!!

Yes but Mark, with the twu, a new hire through the OSM then the mechanic wage scales, a member can top out in a 14 short years.

Two teir wage scale, starting at $9.02/hr with a 14 year top out. Now that is something to be proud of, right twu advocates???

 

[Rusty]

Kevin, maybe you need reminded of what Jim Little wrote:

I have asked the AFL-CIO and Abernathy Associates to assist the ATD with developing our Membership Outreach Program

One key issue I learned is once you lose contact with the members you lose the ability to represent. I believe Little is making every effort into designing a program to keep up to date on the members wishes. Mr. Little has extended his hand and I hope the members take the time to express their concerns.

It does not say Ray Abernathy, a spokesman for the afl-cio.

Mr Abernathy has been involved with the TWU at the request of the members, Many have asked for change and advice was needed. I have seen many times where he has helped. And I do see where the International as listened.
.

I don't think quickly making up some cards for Ray Abernathy is going to cut the mustard but, you are welcome to try and deceive the membership again.

Please expand on this, where do you believe he will deceive the members?

If there is another possibility, explain!!!

Remember it takes all of us to make the wheel turn, together collectively we can make a difference. I have put forth suggestions and some have been used and others rejected. just because I or you suggest something doesn't necessary make it a good idea. Just look at our local president, he believes he's doing the right thing but the vast majority thinks otherwise. So he will be leaving office and we will have a new President.

Putting Ketchup on crap is not going to make it taste any better.

If it is Ray Abenathy, as you say, then Jim Little has already tried to deceive the membership but, is caught. Ray Abernathy is a spokesman for the afl-cio, similar to yourself, a spokesman for the twu. Should we start calling you Goremans Associates and hope there is no copy right infringement on the name???

 

[Mark Inman]

Well Kevin if you can't make it by my dock than have one of your trusted e-board members come by . I have done better than visit the sight I called them and asked them what they would start me at. They said they would start me at 21.64 an hour don't believe it see for your self. I also know better than to make a dumb ass comment about the list of eligible voters with out doing my own research to see who's on there. Think than speak it is not that hard. NO VOTE :angry: NO PEASE!!!!

 

[Nightwatch]

It looks like AMFA's crack research team has uncovered some really
embarassing information. Too bad these idiots have the wrong company.

Abernathy Associates is run by Ray Abernathy who has spent his life
working with unions. Abernathy Associates is a strictly union-side
communications consulting firm.

Abernathy & Associates is run by William Abernathy - I guess they are
management consultants. They have nothing to do with the TWU, AFL-CIO or
the upcoming focus groups.

These are the same geniuses who resarched the AAR Corp that is doing
aircraft repair work in Indianapolis. Again, the AMFA researchers
plugged AAR into the Yahoo search engine and incorrectly claimed it was
part of AMR. Do you want to represented by a group whose research
department consists of a Yahoo search engine?

 

[James T. Kirk]

It looks like AMFA's crack research team has uncovered some really
embarassing information. Too bad these idiots have the wrong company.

Abernathy Associates is run by Ray Abernathy who has spent his life
working with unions. Abernathy Associates is a strictly union-side
communications consulting firm.

Abernathy & Associates is run by William Abernathy - I guess they are
management consultants. They have nothing to do with the TWU, AFL-CIO or
the upcoming focus groups.

These are the same geniuses who resarched the AAR Corp that is doing
aircraft repair work in Indianapolis. Again, the AMFA researchers
plugged AAR into the Yahoo search engine and incorrectly claimed it was
part of AMR. Do you want to represented by a group whose research
department consists of a Yahoo search engine?

Or should that be reseach team smoking crack and crank?

 

[TonyB]

Face it, Jim Little and TeAAm TWU are desperate! So desperate that they have to use a UNION BUSTING FIRM AGAINST IT'S OWN MEMBERS! :down: :down: :down:

 

[Bob Owens]

Many have been concerned about the lack of understanding the International has and the structure as such, Many of us have been pushing for this type of involvement for many years. Here is our opportunity to put forth some constructive concerns.

I remember years ago a plan was presented and not acted on because of the politics involved and in fact recently, the line stations held meetings to have some structural changes. I believe this is an opportunity to give input, I have talked with the people involved and they are dedicated to achieve a positive outcome.

This is not a union vs. association issue, Jim little is sincere about this issue and we have had discussions in the past. I hope you will take the time to be constructive in your opinions and if you would like, I will be more than happy to present the discussion on this thread to the Abernathy group.

Jim Little is never sincere. If the members do not have the right to get rid of Little, Hall, Gless, Yingst ect then nothing will change.

 

[Rusty]

It looks like AMFA's crack research team has uncovered some really
embarassing information. Too bad these idiots have the wrong company.

Abernathy Associates is run by Ray Abernathy who has spent his life
working with unions. Abernathy Associates is a strictly union-side
communications consulting firm.

Abernathy & Associates is run by William Abernathy - I guess they are
management consultants. They have nothing to do with the TWU, AFL-CIO or
the upcoming focus groups.

These are the same geniuses who resarched the AAR Corp that is doing
aircraft repair work in Indianapolis. Again, the AMFA researchers
plugged AAR into the Yahoo search engine and incorrectly claimed it was
part of AMR. Do you want to represented by a group whose research
department consists of a Yahoo search engine?

Steve you are a typical twu advocate, say things without anything to back it up. Oh, and by the way AAR does do work for AA and AA is a subsidarary of AMR. Just so you know.

 

[Bob Owens]

No, I supported Dennis Burchette. And I will support whoever makes it in office! The membership is the ultimate decision maker.

So you voted for a wife beater who sleeps with his friends girlfriends?

Thats your basis for determining "integrity"?

Some guy generously welcomes Dennis into his home and he ends up messing around with his girlfriend.

Does that kind of behavior demonstrate your vision of trustworthyness?

According to a former 501 officer, word was that Dennis had other trysts with other union officers significant others, an International officer who wears thick glasses and chews tobacco was named. However that was the only time I heard that one and maybe it was mixed up with the well known other incident.

Wasnt there also an insurance scam involved too? Bobby Gless told me that the tryst with Hasens girlfriend was only part of the reason why Dennis was "pressured" to step down, he said something about him advocating some insurance policy the girl was selling. As we all know, Insurance rip offs are Sonnys turf.

The membership is the ultimate decision maker? Then why did the TWU go to such great lengths to prevent a vote? Why does the TWU not allow the members to vote for International officers? Why does the TWU say that elected officers are bound to put the International ahead of the members?

Support your statement with facts that prove that the membership is the Ultimnate decision maker. Excactly what decisions can the membership make? If the members and the International-who the membership can not vote for, conflict, who has the ultimate authority?

 

[Checking it Out]

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Well it seems Amfa again Has failed to do the homework! No accountability as usual!!!!!