TWU negotiations.........what?

[Chuck Schalk]

Now that we are in mediation, it is time for politics and show of power from the high ranking level of the TWU International. The negotiating committee has taken it as far as they can. It is time for the owners of the contract to step up and apply the pressure through their resources to secure a respectful contract offer from the company.

 

[frontline]

Now that we are in mediation, it is time for politics and show of power from the high ranking level of the TWU International. The negotiating committee has taken it as far as they can. It is time for the owners of the contract to step up and apply the pressure through their resources to secure a respectful contract offer from the company.

I know I'll take heat for this, but I don't think the last few company offers have been "disrespectful" in terms of the context in which they were made. Now more than ever, do you see anyone getting raises right now? Most people are focused on trying to keep their jobs. I was shocked when I saw what the WN mecs got.

 

[Hopeful]

Now more than ever, do you see anyone getting raises right now?

Yea, The executives will be receiving their annual PUP payouts and will see a salary increase.

 

[The Goose]

Yea, The executives will be receiving their annual PUP payouts and will see a salary increase.

You're right - we'll see a salary increase, not get one (without a helluva fight).

Jim Little and company precludes any and all fighting.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

I know I'll take heat for this, but I don't think the last few company offers have been "disrespectful" in terms of the context in which they were made. Now more than ever, do you see anyone getting raises right now? Most people are focused on trying to keep their jobs. I was shocked when I saw what the WN mecs got.

but we have the TWU and the AFL/CIO to back us up.

 

[MCI transplant]

but we have the TWU and the AFL/CIO to back us up.

<_< -------- Sorry Chuck! Don't count on it! That's what we said when AA bought TWA! "We have the IAM and the AFL/CIO to back us up!"--------- You can say what you want about the IAM, but the silence from the AFL/CIO was deafening!!!! :angry:

 

[aafsc]

<_< -------- Sorry Chuck! Don't count on it! That's what we said when AA bought TWA! "We have the IAM and the AFL/CIO to back us up!"--------- You can say what you want about the IAM, but the silence from the AFL/CIO was deafening!!!! :angry:

You got binding arbitration during which the IAM was demanding DOH system wide while the AFL-CIO remained neutral during these proceedings (and rightly so). What more could they have possibly done? What did you expect them to do?

 

[MCI transplant]

You got binding arbitration during which the IAM was demanding DOH system wide while the AFL-CIO remained neutral during these proceedings (and rightly so). What more could they have possibly done? What did you expect them to do?

<_< ------ aa, Figures you'd crawl out of your hole on this! But we're not debating past history here! My point has to due with what's going on "NOW"! AA mechanics can't count on Sweeney and his gang to "back up" anyone! From past experience, we found out that they are nothing but a money collection organization! Now you can dispute that all you want. But it is, what it is!

 

[aafsc]

<_< ------ aa, Figures you'd crawl out of your hole on this! But we're not debating past history here! My point has to due with what's going on "NOW"! AA mechanics can't count on Sweeney and his gang to "back up" anyone! From past experience, we found out that they are nothing but a money collection organization! Now you can dispute that all you want. But it is, what it is!

You're the one that brought up the AA/TWA issue in your attempt to illustrate "lack of support". In the AA/TWA issue, there was nothing the AFL-CIO could have done; while the IAM did argue for DOH system wide on your behalf. If the AFL-CIO abandoned anyone is sure wasn't the TWAers; it was the employees of Eastern Airlines in our war with Lorenzo. EAL people would love to have had what the TWAers currently have. Looking at the current situation, it is my view that the TWU's negotiating methods leave a lot to be desired. As far as negotiations with title 3 (fleetservice) go, it appears to me that they set the bar way too low in their positions which management takes full advantage of. These substandard negotiating methods must come to an end. I'm not a rabid, hate filled, foaming at the mouth militant out to bleed AA dry but instead want a fair deal, not a concessionary one. There are some items in the company proposals that I find totally unacceptable. So, step one has to be better negotiating tactics from the TWU and then we have to get support from the AFL-CIO to pressure the Obama administration to pressure AA management for a fair deal (not another concessionary one).

 

[MCI transplant]

<_< -------- "I'm not a rabid, hate filled, foaming at the mouth militant"------ Who are you trying to kind? Every time the name "TWA" is mentioned, you pop your cork!------ Don't you realize we both were screwed by Lorenzo?

 

[Hopeful]

<_< -------- Sorry Chuck! Don't count on it! That's what we said when AA bought TWA! "We have the IAM and the AFL/CIO to back us up!"--------- You can say what you want about the IAM, but the silence from the AFL/CIO was deafening!!!! :angry:

MCI, I have to say that you will not let the AA purchase of TWA rest either with respect to seniority integration. You remark here clearly states how TWA got screwed with respect to the purchase. There are actually some TWA folks I work with at JFK who truly believe that they should receive a full AA pension for their TWA time as well.......Imagine that...


Having said that, enough is enough....Airline workers have been systematically getting screwed since Lorenzo left his mark and with a blind eye from the government.

I feel for every airline worker who has been dramatically affected by the assault on this industry.....Continental, PanAm, Eastern, NWA, TWA....all of them.......

TWA employees do not hold exclusive rights to getting screwed.

 

[MCI transplant]

MCI, I have to say that you will not let the AA purchase of TWA rest either with respect to seniority integration. You remark here clearly states how TWA got screwed with respect to the purchase. There are actually some TWA folks I work with at JFK who truly believe that they should receive a full AA pension for their TWA time as well.......Imagine that...


Having said that, enough is enough....Airline workers have been systematically getting screwed since Lorenzo left his mark and with a blind eye from the government.

I feel for every airline worker who has been dramatically affected by the assault on this industry.....Continental, PanAm, Eastern, NWA, TWA....all of them.......

TWA employees do not hold exclusive rights to getting screwed.

<_< ------ Hopeful, my intent was not to reignite the TWA seniority debate, but to point out the fact that you would be extremely naive to count on any backing by the AFL/CIO!----- Having said that, what I expected from AA, and it's Unions, was nothing more than a "fair" integration into it's work force, nothing more!------- Did we get that?-------- That my friend "is" debatable!!!

 

[aafsc]

<_< -------- "I'm not a rabid, hate filled, foaming at the mouth militant"------ Who are you trying to kind? Every time the name "TWA" is mentioned, you pop your cork!------ Don't you realize we both were screwed by Lorenzo?

Can't you read? I said that "I'm not a rabid, hate filled, foaming at the mouth militant" in regards to demanding compensation that will put AA six feet under. However, I do get pi$$ed off when you and other TWAers get on here and go on and on, either in the form of veiled references or outright expression, on how you "got screwed". When you and others post this nonsense, I feel compelled to respond.

 

[aafsc]

<_< ------ Hopeful, my intent was not to reignite the TWA seniority debate, but to point out the fact that you would be extremely naive to count on any backing by the AFL/CIO!----- Having said that, what I expected from AA, and it's Unions, was nothing more than a "fair" integration into it's work force, nothing more!------- Did we get that?-------- That my friend "is" debatable!!!

Yet again you bring up "how you got screwed" in the last four lines of your response to Hopeful. Fair integration with AA's workforce?
What can be more fair than having your case heard and ruled on by a neutral third party arbitrator?

AA rightly said, "Let the unions work out the seniority issues."
AA's Unions' responsibility was to protect their members and ONLY their members (you and all the other TWAers were NOT members at the time); in which they were mostly successful. They were able to protect their member's seniority by preventing them from being stapled under the very senior TWA workforce. Again, what exactly did you want AA, it's unions, and the AFL-CIO to do? And be specific.

BTW, I see the TWA AMTs lost yet again with DRC #33.

 

[MCI transplant]

<_< ------ Yep! Just another example of TWU fairness! "Kasher and his DRC's!" The International goes to Kasher and tells him they have a problem!------ But who's there to represent exTWAer's best interests?-------"NO ONE!" Kasher see the problem from one side only! The International don't give a damn about exTWAers! Their only interested in placating people like you aa!-------It's like going to court, but your not allowed to have a lawyer present to defend you!------- So it's not surprising what results come from him! They've done it time and again!-------- What do you expect? :huh: