TWU-IAM

[700UW]

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[NevadaHP]

still see no one on here from the IAm FS Side to say what they are going to do for us West employees, is that because there is nothing they can do for us? What could the IAM give the West employees? or do they not want to answer because they cant give us anything but concessions.

 

[barbeetantrums]

still see no one on here from the IAm FS Side to say what they are going to do for us West employees, is that because there is nothing they can do for us? What could the IAM give the West employees? or do they not want to answer because they cant give us anything but concessions.

In the end, if IAM ends up representing us, we can expect a long period of "repurcussions and consequences". Have a grievance... screw you, you're a Westie. There will be no representation for US West but we will pay dues. Count on a Class II pay scale.

 

[delldude]

In the end, if IAM ends up representing us, we can expect a long period of "repurcussions and consequences".

you seem to have a huge voice in this forum....i'd suggest you get involved with the IAM and provide your valuable input.

"repurcussions and consequences".

only for those who sit idly by and wait for others to do it for them

 

[gonzo]

hell...you can train an monkey to throw bags....

barbietantrums hard at work??

tag team@1:33est

So you and 7 have been placed in the wrong occupation? I can see the IAM attitude here. Good job of representing yourselves dell and 7.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

This is what an IAM rep told a TWU member at the information meeting in PHL. It seems that there will be consequences for TWU not merging peacefully and intending to take this to a vote. The IAM rep could have been full of beans and bluster. Who knows?

barbeetantrums.....you must have a crystal ball.......isn't that exactly what happened?? Oh no!! Not full of beans and bluster......flailing fists and chairs. :down:

 

[Harry Callahan]

In the end, if IAM ends up representing us, we can expect a long period of "repurcussions and consequences". Have a grievance... screw you, you're a Westie. There will be no representation for US West but we will pay dues. Count on a Class II pay scale.

You WILL be represented....

 

[Bob Owens]

still see no one on here from the IAm FS Side to say what they are going to do for us West employees, is that because there is nothing they can do for us? What could the IAM give the West employees? or do they not want to answer because they cant give us anything but concessions.

The TWU is the industry leader in concessions, and has been for a long time.

Through the late 80s and early 90s there were a series of migrations to AA from other airlines. First there was Peoples Express, then EAL, Pan Am then TWA.


The Peoples Express guys generally had no opinion on unions. The EAL guys all had favorable opinions of the IAM when compared to the TWU, same with the TWA guys who quit TWA after their first BK. The Pan Am guys however said that the TWU was just as bad at Pan Am as they were at AA. If there was an election at AA between the TWU and the IAM the IAM would win, if the Teamsters were on the ballott they would beat both.

The fact is the TWU is a company union. Right now Jim Little is the President. Jim is a liar. He even lies on stupid things. He often cites his "union roots" going all the back to Scotland. He leaves out his much more recent management heritage. Not only was his father in law in management but so was Jim Little himself. On his Bio on the TWU website he cites his "degrees". He claims to have a Batchelors and a Masters degree. However under deposition he admitted that those "Degrees" were obtained from Columbia State University. They are worthless, Columbia State University was a diploma mill that was shut down by the FBI.

So, if you want to leave the IAM and go to the TWU you will be going from bad to worse.You will be going into an organization led by self-serving promanagement liars. A better option would be to go for the Teamsters.Due to government observation the Teamsters is probably one of the cleanest unions out there. Real opposition exists within the IBT with well organized groups like the TDU in existance. Opposition keeps the leadership honest, such well organized oposition does not exist in the TWU.The TWU simply thows out any opposition then settle the resulting court case with gag order stipulated cash settlements. Apparently they have some friends at the DOL who help cover up the illegal payments that TWU officers recieve from employers and the failure of both the TWU and employers to file required DOL documentation forms LM-10 and LM-30.This way they can continue to lie to the membership about how democratic the TWU is.

After 20 years, many of them spent trying to reform the TWU, I can tell you that the TWU is a corrupt, pro-company organization that cares nothing about their members.

All they care about is making sure there is enough dues coming in to provide the six figure salaries and other perks that TWU officers grant themselves. The TWU is a small union and a large portion of your dues are solely used to pay these officials their huge salaries and perks. Not only that but they apparently have arrangements to suppliment those six figure salaries with kickbacks from employers, one of them being AA. Now these are pretty serious charges. The TWU and AA are aware that I've made them, in fact I made them two years ago. If I was lying dont you think that they would have taken action against me? The fact is if they do, then in my defense I can petition for disclosure and find even more corruption and colusion between these two organizations. So if you think its bad that the IAM is in bed with the company do you really want to partner up with the union thats in bed with American Airlines?

 

[Awa Contract]

IAM managed to out do everyone on that topic at US

 

[700UW]

So what is your excuse for breaking and entering Bob to further your career, that is a criminal act, you should have been prosecuted too.

They acted in their own, not on behalf of the IAM, but I guess that is too hard for you to comprehend and would rather bash 500,000+ people for the stupid act of 25 renegades who acted upon their own direction and no one else's.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

They acted in their own, not on behalf of the IAM, but I guess that is too hard for you to comprehend and would rather bash 500,000+ people for the stupid act of 25 renegades who acted upon their own direction and no one else's.

Reality is that it has not been proven that they acted on their own or on orders/suggestions from another. But realistically, the actions of those individuals reflect on the organization that they are affiliated with (IAM) because they were reported to be on the clock, reported to be in uniform and committing the act of violence against a contending organization which was operating legally. And if it was AMFA, IBT or any other labor organization, the reflection would be the same.

 

[700UW]

Well like I said since the ibt members have more violent act committed by them then any other union does that make them all criminals?

Does it make all the ibt members mobsters too?

If you even think anyone from the IAM except the people involved gave orders to start a fight, I got some beachfront property that you can buy in downtown Tempe.

 

[Jimmy Neutron]

IAM is pressing the company to have PHX and LAS classified as Class II (resulting in the Class II pay scale and not Class I, of course), if fleet service falls under the IAM contract. Guess that would also mean LAX.

I don't know where this guy gets his information but the status of class 1 and class 2 stations is clearly outlined in the IAM contract. The final BK proposal can be found on the IAM District 141 web site, go look for yourself.

http://www.iam141.org/index.htm

http://www.iam141.org/PDF/US%20Airways/USA...sal.1.05.05.pdf

It clearly states that station with 140 mainline jet depatures weekly will be Class 1 and 69 to 140 mainline departures weekly will be considered class 2

This guy is filling all of your heads with a bunch of crap and he clearly doesn't know the facts.

We here at US East all know that the IAM contract isn't the greatest, but the with no union I bet Doug Parker and boys would love to make every station a class 2.

Who are you gonna blame if we have an election and end up with no union, and the company imposes anything they want on you like it or not. There will be no one to blame but yourselve's.

You folks need to quit buying into the TWU is great crap these people are putting on these boards.

Also:

What's your story Tim Nelson?
Do you even work for US Airways anymore?
Are you even a US Airways Fleet Service employee?
I think everyone on this board needs to know your real agenda.
We saw it a few years ago when you filed for an election with not enough cards and we all had to wait for another full year before we could even re-file, which caused us to be non-union an extra year.
So whats your real agenda here?
I think everyone on these boards deserves to know the truth behind your actions.

 

[AIRWOMAN]

Well like I said since the ibt members have more violent act committed by them then any other union does that make them all criminals?

Does it make all the ibt members mobsters too?

If you even think anyone from the IAM except the people involved gave orders to start a fight, I got some beachfront property that you can buy in downtown Tempe.

And as I have said, the issue at hand is the RECENT incident. No union, no individual can claim purity so the past is the past. Current/recent events are what's relevant in this discussion.

You crack me up. Guess you've never been to Tempe. There is beachfront property there!! Ask DP and everyone at CHQ. They look at it each and every day.

 

[Jen]

representation cards are still at local580.org !!
Now you can send them to:
Richard Edelman
1300 L Street,N.W. Suite 1200
Washington D.C. 20005

B) good day to be on the beach in Tempe!