TWU/IAM Members: How Long Will Negotiations Take?

[Buck]

heads up Tulsa.

heads up Tulsa.?
 
​Starting next week, a 737 B-Check will open at the Carmine Romano Maintenance Facility 
 
28 Mechanics including  2 Crew Chiefs.
 
One of the mechanics going to this job was told by management that a 2nd Line will probably start soon.
 
There is also conversation that perhaps a 767 B Check might be opening .

 

[WeAAsles]

heads up Tulsa.?
 
​Starting next week, a 737 B-Check will open at the Carmine Romano Maintenance Facility 
 
28 Mechanics including  2 Crew Chiefs.
 
One of the mechanics going to this job was told by management that a 2nd Line will probably start soon.
 
There is also conversation that perhaps a 767 B Check might be opening .

For people who read Forums who are not necessarily mechanics.

http://airwaysnews.com/blog/2015/08/11/inside-the-worlds-largest-airline-owned-maintenance-engineering-base-american-airlines-tulsa/

 

[Rogallo]

heads up Tulsa.?
 
​Starting next week, a 737 B-Check will open at the Carmine Romano Maintenance Facility 
 
28 Mechanics including  2 Crew Chiefs.
 
One of the mechanics going to this job was told by management that a 2nd Line will probably start soon.
 
There is also conversation that perhaps a 767 B Check might be opening .

 
TUL or TULE?
 
License pay or no?

 

[Slopoke]

heads up Tulsa.?
 
​Starting next week, a 737 B-Check will open at the Carmine Romano Maintenance Facility 
 
28 Mechanics including  2 Crew Chiefs.
 
One of the mechanics going to this job was told by management that a 2nd Line will probably start soon.
 
There is also conversation that perhaps a 767 B Check might be opening .

 
 
I was under the impression the B-CK as we know it, is going to shift to a phase check. The 737 is supposed to be the last fleet type to go that route and the 319-321 AirBus to be the first, since they are going through bridging now. With that said, B-CK lines will go away and the phase cards, aka SIC cards, can be done anywhere there is overnight maintenance.

 

[bigjets]

heads up Tulsa.?
 
​Starting next week, a 737 B-Check will open at the Carmine Romano Maintenance Facility 
 
28 Mechanics including  2 Crew Chiefs.
 
One of the mechanics going to this job was told by management that a 2nd Line will probably start soon.
 
There is also conversation that perhaps a 767 B Check might be opening .

 
 
what is the Carmine Romano Maintenance Facility ? 
 
Does anybody who what B checks are in DFW?

 

[Buck]

 
TUL or TULE?
 
License pay or no?

Technically TUL is the Line station at the Tulsa International Airport, while TULE is the Overhaul Facility
 
While there are some areas where there is no License Pay, If you work on an Aircraft Dock in AO you receive both License Premiums.
 
There are some variations. Also there are Welders and Machinists that receive a Skill Premium of $3.00 an hour 

 

[Buck]

 
 
I was under the impression the B-CK as we know it, is going to shift to a phase check. The 737 is supposed to be the last fleet type to go that route and the 319-321 AirBus to be the first, since they are going through bridging now. With that said, B-CK lines will go away and the phase cards, aka SIC cards, can be done anywhere there is overnight maintenance.

I have not heard it put that way, but the possibility of the work on the aircraft dock transitioning to a phase was mentioned last year. 
It is my understanding that once a aircraft is placed on a maintenance program, it has to complete that program? 
 
I understand that the Old 737's ( LUS )  that are outsourced are to stay under that contract and the the LAA 737 will continue as it has.
 
As the company receives the AirBus they will not require heavier maintenance for some time, however as these aircraft gain time it is a possibility that TULE will see them, whether under a phase check or not. " TULE has the capacity and the ability to take this work." In the next few months I can ask some of the mechanics exactly what there work is.
 
My question is why are these "B Checks" being routed away from the Hubs?

 

[Buck]

 
 
what is the Carmine Romano Maintenance Facility ? 
 
Does anybody who what B checks are in DFW?

The Carmine Romano Facility is what is known as Hangar 80 or the Tent/Hangar on the TUL Airport side.
 
I had heard that a Wide Body "B Check" was moved from DFW to MIA?? about the same time the inbound inspections were taken from QA and placed in the Mechanics??

 

[700UW]

PMUS doesn't have any 737s.

And they were under a c and q check. And the Airbus are under a C1-C12 check, and the overhaul is an S-check, which is every Five to Six years depending on when the plane was built.

And the old HP planes were transitioned over to the US maintenance program.

 

[Buck]

PMUS doesn't have any 737s.

And they were under a c and q check. And the Airbus are under a C1-C12 check, and the overhaul is an S-check, which is every Five to Six years depending on when the plane was built.

And the old HP planes were transitioned over to the US maintenance program.

Just saying what I was told, from management. 
 
Are there any aircraft at USAir outsourced?

 

[700UW]

Yes 50% billable hours done in-house, 50% outsourced

 

[Buck]

Yes 50% billable hours done in-house, 50% outsourced

Ok, and what products are outsourced?

 

[Overspeed]

Buck,
Like that CFM shop? Won't have that under the current formula. Whether you use MHs or Cost they are ways of measuring outsourcing but that doesn't change the fact that the percentage of work outsourced must be close to what is in the TWU CBA scope. While LUS outsources no planned line work that represents maybe 100 AMTs. The gap between what AA outsources and US does in terms of AMTs is around 4 AMTs per aircraft. Just rolling the IAM scope clause with no lowering of the percentage will mean more jobs leave the new AA. CFMs will most likely be the next target for AA management and most of CAM. Based on PIT having about 675 for a 330 aircraft fleet AA that comes to about 2 AMTs per plane at US working HC work. That means if we take the IAM scope as-is we are looking at 1400 max in TUL working overhaul.
 
The way the IAM measures outsourcing is a red herring. It's a method of measurement and while talking MHs will make you feel warm and fuzzy they can be manipulated very easily. MROs frequently will under bid a job in MHs and offset the cost with parts or other markups. That's how they get the job. The in-house staff says a check takes 1000 MHs and they say it takes 750. The cap is the issue that affects how many AMTs work here. We need to lock in the work we have now, cap the GRU/GIG/EZE/SCL work, and determine what that represents in terms of a cap/percentage.

 

[700UW]

PIT doesn't have 675 mechanics at overhaul, the 675 is minimum headcount for heavy between PIT and CLT.

Have you not read the IAM/US CBA?

 

[Overspeed]

700UW,
Thanks for the correction. So there is less people in PIT working overhaul. So we should expect fewer AMTs working in TUL and DWH under the IAM scope clause as written. Awesome. Thanks for the info.