TWU-IAM Finally Getting Ready for JCBA Negotiations

[scorpion 2]

If you want to eat crow, I won't be me serving it. You can get your full serving on your own, once the JCBA is ratified.

So your going to pull a Pelosi? Lets get the ass in the house so we can find out how bad it stinks before we question its intent?

 

[NYer]

The same association that represents no one?

 
That's right.

 

[NYer]

And as posted in your post it states, and I will quote, "relating to our request" as if it was your request as well.  If you would look back, as stated, it is worded as if you stated it.  No quotes, and nothing noted who said it or posted it. Just saying...

 
Correct, should have been with quotes.

 

[NYer]

I stand corrected, the statement does include, however, your same wishful thinking that the Association will get a place on the ballot without any showing of interest.

Again, as far as I can tell, it will be the first time ever.
If there is a case where two unions agreed to an Association and petitioned the NMB WITHOUT FIRST balloting the membership on the forming of the Asssociation, I haven't found it.
Please feel free to post a link to all of those.

 
The NMB is investigating the application, therefore it seems they have accepted the filing by the TWU & IAM.

 

[swamt]

 
The NMB is investigating the application, therefore it seems they have accepted the filing by the TWU & IAM.

The NMB is in fact investigating the application.  That does not mean, what-so-ever that they have accepted it or will accept it.  But, I will say this. It appears to be taking way, way, way too long to be thrown out (my opinion only). I honestly think there will either be a vote from the membership, or, the association will be granted.  The NMB spending this much time on a SCS has never ever been done before. They are trying to work out all the red tape once it is all finalized.  I also hope it is not forced on all of you, and hope they (NMB) calls for a vote.  But it is very concerning to me why in the world would the NMB spend sooooo much time on this and then put it to a vote and risk the probability of a NO vote for the association.  THEN what will happen?  We all wait for the announcement, this coming Wednesday will mark 31 freakin weeks for a record time frame for the NMB has taken to decide on a SCS filing.  Makes you all wonder, huh???

 

[scorpion 2]

The NMB is in fact investigating the application.  That does not mean, what-so-ever that they have accepted it or will accept it.  But, I will say this. It appears to be taking way, way, way too long to be thrown out (my opinion only). I honestly think there will either be a vote from the membership, or, the association will be granted.  The NMB spending this much time on a SCS has never ever been done before. They are trying to work out all the red tape once it is all finalized.  I also hope it is not forced on all of you, and hope they (NMB) calls for a vote.  But it is very concerning to me why in the world would the NMB spend sooooo much time on this and then put it to a vote and risk the probability of a NO vote for the association.  THEN what will happen?  We all wait for the announcement, this coming Wednesday will mark 31 freakin weeks for a record time frame for the NMB has taken to decide on a SCS filing.  Makes you all wonder, huh???

Local 514 is saying there will be a vote. How they have this knowledge is anyone's guess and whether its accurate who knows. If there is a vote who will be considered the incumbent union is the big question. 

 

[CMH_GSE]

The NMB is investigating the application, therefore it seems they have accepted the filing by the TWU & IAM.

NYer, have you actually read any NMB decisions?
Serious question.

I have.
In every one, they state very clearly, they FIRST investigate STS, BEFORE they go into anything having to do with representation issues.
Once they determine what needs representing, they then, and only then investigate the validity of the representation being asked to be put on the ballot.

By their rules, the only Union currently valid for the ballot is the TWU.
The IAM is an incumbent Union like the TWU, but they fail at having the proper 50%+1 showing of interest , just , as I believe , the Association will also fail to be placed on the ballot, due to just a couple guys agreeing to this and not balloting the membership for Association approval BEFORE applying with the NMB.

NYer, if you have ANY links to any previous Association that was put together without balloting the membership BEFORE applying to the NMB, and then getting placed on the ballot without showing of interest other than a couple of crooks agreeing to it, please, post any and all you can.

 

[swamt]

Local 514 is saying there will be a vote. How they have this knowledge is anyone's guess and whether its accurate who knows. If there is a vote who will be considered the incumbent union is the big question. 

Yes. Agree.

 

[CMH_GSE]

Yes. Agree.

Local 514 is saying there will be a vote. How they have this knowledge is anyone's guess and whether its accurate who knows. If there is a vote who will be considered the incumbent union is the big question.

There are two incumbent unions here, TWU and IAM, however, according to NMB rules, only one should qualify for the ballot .

 

[700UW]

When did you become a Board Member of an investigator for the NMB?
 
Read the documentation signed and submitted by the IAM and TWU.
 
There are plenty of associations in the union environment.
 
CWA/IBT is one on the property, neither union filed for an election when US and HP merged nor did they at AA, the association did, at AA that is, the IBT and CWA held an internal vote first.

 

[CMH_GSE]

When did you become a Board Member of an investigator for the NMB?
 
Read the documentation signed and submitted by the IAM and TWU.
 
There are plenty of associations in the union environment.
 
CWA/IBT is one on the property, neither union filed for an election when US and HP merged nor did they at AA, the association did, at AA that is, the IBT and CWA held an internal vote first.

The IBT and CWA held an internal vote first.
Why didn't the Twu and IAM do the same here?

That's all we are saying
That's all we want

If the vote would have been Association or no association, but one of the other two, that is how it's been done any time previously.

 

[Bob Owens]

The IBT and CWA held an internal vote first.
Why didn't the Twu and IAM do the same here?

Because they were afraid of the result.

 

[NYer]

The NMB is in fact investigating the application.  That does not mean, what-so-ever that they have accepted it or will accept it.  But, I will say this. It appears to be taking way, way, way too long to be thrown out (my opinion only). I honestly think there will either be a vote from the membership, or, the association will be granted.  The NMB spending this much time on a SCS has never ever been done before. They are trying to work out all the red tape once it is all finalized.  I also hope it is not forced on all of you, and hope they (NMB) calls for a vote.  But it is very concerning to me why in the world would the NMB spend sooooo much time on this and then put it to a vote and risk the probability of a NO vote for the association.  THEN what will happen?  We all wait for the announcement, this coming Wednesday will mark 31 freakin weeks for a record time frame for the NMB has taken to decide on a SCS filing.  Makes you all wonder, huh???

 
The NMB is not going to concern itself about how a vote might come out, they just do the due diligence.
 
There seems to be a few issues with the way both groups have their workforces constructed where one group has certain jobs unionized but the other doesn't. That is the basis of all the delays.
 
In October the NBM sent a letter to the unions for clarifications and they sent another letter last week asking for more information on a certain group.
 
There will be a vote. It seems inevitable this SCS will not be a nice and clean resolution on the NMB's part.

 

[Bob Owens]

When did you become a Board Member of an investigator for the NMB?
 
Read the documentation signed and submitted by the IAM and TWU.
 
There are plenty of associations in the union environment.
 
CWA/IBT is one on the property, neither union filed for an election when US and HP merged nor did they at AA, the association did, at AA that is, the IBT and CWA held an internal vote first.

You left out that they had a vote asking if their members were OK with it. They gained consent, the TWU and IAM act like they dont need our consent, like they own us, not that they work for us.

 

[NYer]

NYer, have you actually read any NMB decisions?
Serious question.

I have.
In every one, they state very clearly, they FIRST investigate STS, BEFORE they go into anything having to do with representation issues.
Once they determine what needs representing, they then, and only then investigate the validity of the representation being asked to be put on the ballot.

By their rules, the only Union currently valid for the ballot is the TWU.
The IAM is an incumbent Union like the TWU, but they fail at having the proper 50%+1 showing of interest , just , as I believe , the Association will also fail to be placed on the ballot, due to just a couple guys agreeing to this and not balloting the membership for Association approval BEFORE applying with the NMB.

NYer, if you have ANY links to any previous Association that was put together without balloting the membership BEFORE applying to the NMB, and then getting placed on the ballot without showing of interest other than a couple of crooks agreeing to it, please, post any and all you can.

 
If the TWU would have applied by themselves, then yes, they have enough to be awarded as the representative body. However, they did not apply as the TWU.
 
The sentence that speaks on the showing of interest within the NMB rules states, "All applicants must submit evidence of representation or showing of interest from at least fifty (50) percent of the employees in the craft or class." The TWU and the IAM applied as the Association and as such, they were able to use their current check-off's, seniority or CBA as "evidence of representation" under NMB rules.
 
You can be upset because they didn't ask you if they could move along with the Association, but the fact remains it was done and we are moving forward as the NMB is pursuing the SCS under the TWU/IAM Association. Like it or not, that's where we are.