TWU-IAM Finally Getting Ready for JCBA Negotiations

[NYer]

You see AANOTOK, Bob believes the only way to get a good contract is to have the Presidential Emergency Board get involved. To him, that shifts the leverage to the Negotiating Committee. (he probably likes that argument because there is little chance it happening and he can continually use that as an excuse...shhhhh)

 

[1AA]

You see AANOTOK, Bob believes the only way to get a good contract is to have the Presidential Emergency Board get involved. To him, that shifts the leverage to the Negotiating Committee. (he probably likes that argument because there is little chance it happening and he can continually use that as an excuse...shhhhh)

Let's keep things in perspective. TWU always negotiated a better contract for the non maintenance groups. They did a terrible job for the AMT. AMT'S have always been the coattails or the scraps contract after contract. You can continue with the twu if you feel they are working for you. For the AMT they literally suck and only care about us when a card drive is in progress.

 

[scorpion 2]

Bob stop with the fear mongering and lies.
 
The IAMNPF doesnt and wont take your frozen pension, AA would have to put billions into for that to happen.
 
It would be financially irresponsible to put the IAMNPF into the yellow or red status and screw current members to take your frozen pension, the PBGC would have a lot to say about.
Stop fear mongering.

Thats a completely false statement. I have a pension statement from 2012 that shows it about 80% and 85% funded. The shortfall at that time was about 500 million. Change the rules to match the pitiful iamnpf rules and there is no shortfall. Someone or group would stand to profit hugely if they were to take over the management our pension trust. Not to mention the PBGC would be off the hook for billions in liability because of the change from single employer to multi employer status.
The twu and iam missed a perfect opportunity to set the record straight on our pension trust issue when they wrote the agreement on pensions. Why was that left out? No one knows for sure what they have in mind but with all cage rattling going on you would think an official statement would be made by the international. If there is just a small chance that our trust could be moved than its worth the effort to make a big deal out of it. Obviously you dont have a horse in this race other than the fact that your pension could actually get a boost if our trust were to move over into your fund.  I remember reading something that commented on reversing pension cuts that were made in prior years if a trust became solvent enough to reverse the cuts. Dont you fall into that category?        

 

[700UW]

It is to make up the short fall for the life of the plan.

 

[DallasConehead]

All this coming from the same imbecile that gave us "restore and more" and "the company wont file bankruptcy".

 

[swamt]

According to the AA 10-K filed this past week, 75% of the maintenance personnel at the combined new AA work for pre-merger AA and 25% of them are employed by the pre-merger US.

If the TWU had any balls, they would have laughed off the ridiculous attempt by the IAM to remain on the property. As worthless as the TWU has been for the AA mechanics, the IAM-TWU "Association" is even more worthless.

FWAAA, I agree with you 100% here.  Why did you direct this this towards me?  My personal feelings on this entire AA/US fiasco is as follows.  TWU should have told the IAM to pack sand as far as their proposed association.  TWU should have said, let's let the membership decide and have an election.  Then if any other union collected any cards and had enough could also be on the ballot.  Take a vote, and then let a run-off take place if neccessary.  The TWU screwed up big time here.  They have lost alot of supporting membership by moving into this BS agreement with the IAM without any say so from the membership they represent.  If they would have asked the membership, they would not be wasting all their money and time on this association right now.  The AA'ers would have been in nego's for a single contract a long, long time ago and more than likely seeing some progress by now.  Rather their representation was from TWU, AMFA or the IAM.  This association has really held up the JCBA. 

 

[NYer]

Let's keep things in perspective. TWU always negotiated a better contract for the non maintenance groups. They did a terrible job for the AMT. AMT'S have always been the coattails or the scraps contract after contract. You can continue with the twu if you feel they are working for you. For the AMT they literally suck and only care about us when a card drive is in progress.

 
As long as perspective is in order, then you should say the Local Presidents negotiated a better contract for the non-maintenance groups and conversely other Local Presidents didn't.
 
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[NYer]

Thats a completely false statement. I have a pension statement from 2012 that shows it about 80% and 85% funded. The shortfall at that time was about 500 million. Change the rules to match the pitiful iamnpf rules and there is no shortfall. Someone or group would stand to profit hugely if they were to take over the management our pension trust. Not to mention the PBGC would be off the hook for billions in liability because of the change from single employer to multi employer status.
The twu and iam missed a perfect opportunity to set the record straight on our pension trust issue when they wrote the agreement on pensions. Why was that left out? No one knows for sure what they have in mind but with all cage rattling going on you would think an official statement would be made by the international. If there is just a small chance that our trust could be moved than its worth the effort to make a big deal out of it. Obviously you dont have a horse in this race other than the fact that your pension could actually get a boost if our trust were to move over into your fund.  I remember reading something that commented on reversing pension cuts that were made in prior years if a trust became solvent enough to reverse the cuts. Dont you fall into that category?        
 

 
When you guys start these conspiracy theories you really need to be more creative rather than being so provocative. The most important aspect of the pension plans are how they were vested. The PBGC will not allow a single-employer, underfunded, plan to be merged with a multi-employer plan. They are two vastly different vehicles that do not act as if you're making a transfer from the checking account into a savings account. Good Lord.

 

[Vortilon]

 
As long as perspective is in order, then you should say the Local Presidents negotiated a better contract for the non-maintenance groups and conversely other Local Presidents didn't.
 
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Yeah okay, the line presidents negotiated our crappy contracts.  Now that's funny. 

 

[swamt]

NMB sent filing letters in the workplace dated August 8 2014.

Yes.  Filing was Aug 6th 2014.  3 wks in Aug, 4 wks in Sept., 5 wks in Oct, 4 wks in Nov, 5 wks in Dec, 4 wks in Jan, 4 wks in Feb, and the 4th of March will mark the 30th week since the filing on Aug 6th.  Not sure where you are getting 32 weeks.  Now I am counting down the calender for every singlr Wed. not just adding the number of days and using the average.  Just trying to keep things on the up and up...

 

[NYer]

 
Yeah okay, the line presidents negotiated our crappy contracts.  Now that's funny. 

 
So now you want to separate it even further, it's the Base Presidents that caused the problem.

 

[scorpion 2]

 
When you guys start these conspiracy theories you really need to be more creative rather than being so provocative. The most important aspect of the pension plans are how they were vested. The PBGC will not allow a single-employer, underfunded, plan to be merged with a multi-employer plan. They are two vastly different vehicles that do not act as if you're making a transfer from the checking account into a savings account. Good Lord.

I would rather a statement come from the international and PBGC than you. Good Lord.

 

[Bogey]

As long as perspective is in order, then you should say the Local Presidents negotiated a better contract for the non-maintenance groups and conversely other Local Presidents didn't.
 
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I would say that's accurate. I am sure the dispatchers, sim tech and ground school presidents negotiated most of their own deals without the international. The flow through items is where everyone gets screwed by the international.

 

[NYer]

I would rather a statement come from the international and PBGC than you. Good Lord.

 
A statement about a made up crisis? I guess the PBGC should sit around and try to think up of all the crazy scenario's and put out letters to issues that don't even exist.

 

[scorpion 2]

A statement about a made up crisis? I guess the PBGC should sit around and try to think up of all the crazy scenario's and put out letters to issues that don't even exist.

One from our own union would be great! Why dont you get on that and make me eat crow when the statement comes out. Double dog dare you!