TWU-IAM Finally Getting Ready for JCBA Negotiations

[WeAAsles]

 
Forget what? AMFA never ran a write in campaign on US
 
 
Well look at it this way ..... AMFA got 8 votes without running a campaign ..... how many did the TWU get?

If this is the best you can do for a response I don't think I'm going to be seeing a lot of chaos here in the future.

And I thought AMFA was grassroots? Some job at grassroots organizing there, 8 votes. Just doesn't look too promising on that write in uh campaign is all?

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

If this is the best you can do for a response I don't think I'm going to be seeing a lot of chaos here in the future.

And I thought AMFA was grassroots? Some job at grassroots organizing there, 8 votes. Just doesn't look too promising on that write in uh campaign is all?

 
You know for someone who claims to be here to point out the disingenuous, you certainly do get snarky when you get called on it. 
 
Your post got just the sort of response it merited.

 

[WeAAsles]

 
You know for someone who claims to be here to point out the disingenuous, you certainly do get snarky when you get called on it. 
 
Your post got just the sort of response it merited.

TWU doesn't sell itself as a grassroots organization or one that represents Mechanics only such as the AMFA does. If there is a Union out there that only represents one group of workers and they still only get 8 write in votes, what am I to think?

You just think everything I write is meant to be a hit and you're far off the mark. Pointing out reality sometimes is the only way for people to see that something is wrong and maybe they can make changes to correct the problem. 

So if AMFA as a grass roots organization was only able to muster up 8 votes in that election, what is the problem? What are you as their grassroots organizers doing wrong in conveying the message? You can't deny that there isn't a problem. And it's not a guy like me who just maybe is trying to help you guys figure it out that's your problem. Blame the other guy isn't working and hasn't worked for as long as the organization has been trying at AA. So what's the problem?

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

TWU doesn't sell itself as a grassroots organization or one that represents Mechanics only such as the AMFA does. If there is a Union out there that only represents one group of workers and they still only get 8 write in votes, what am I to think?

You just think everything I write is meant to be a hit and you're far off the mark. Pointing out reality sometimes is the only way for people to see that something is wrong and maybe they can make changes to correct the problem. 

So if AMFA as a grass roots organization was only able to muster up 8 votes in that election, what is the problem? What are you as their grassroots organizers doing wrong in conveying the message? You can't deny that there isn't a problem. And it's not a guy like me who just maybe is trying to help you guys figure it out that's your problem. Blame the other guy isn't working and hasn't worked for as long as the organization has been trying at AA. So what's the problem?

 
Oh spare me!
 
There was no campaign, grassroots or otherwise, at US.  8 mechanics decide to write in AMFA and you think you're gonna spin that into some sort of fault with the organization?
 
You got called on your absurd nonsense, and instead of dealing with it, you double down and go idiotic.

 

[Hackman]

That's kinda weak of the witty coming from the Queen of the IAm tool boy whiners. Read the Delta F/A forum to see the sniveling IAm tool boy in action, it's very amusing. Maybe go hang out over there, they need you badly as IAm organizer for free. Since the IAm will be out at another airline after the TWu backdoors' the IAm with the despised and unwanted "Association", a sure debacle at AA, soon to come. You heard it here first tool boy.
 
How's that go?  "Board Cancer"?  "Don't let the facts get in the way"?
 
Hey IAm tool boy, here's your hero! The IAm's Buffy the Clown railing against your boy president Barry. Who knew Buffy could be so right? Screery....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKJVHjZVD60

 

[NYer]

 
Have no illusions there, the TWU most definitely has been decertified - just not from AA ..... yet.
 
As for the rest of your post, wrong again.  Yes, democracy & accountability are the foundation, but its just that, a foundation.
 
Here at UAL there are several contractual issues at the center of the drive to remove the teamsters, and these issues are born of language that AMFA had previously negotiated and the teamsters removed.
 
AMFA negotiated specific language on Airframe and Shop work protection under Scope, the ibt removed this specific language in exchange for a general point protection. While no one has lost their job, many have been forced into other work areas/ off shift  due to their particular work area being outsourced.
 
AMFA negotiated  specific language on the use of 7 day coverage at the SFO base which limited schedules for its implementation and most importantly made 10hr day schedules strictly voluntary - the teamsters removed that language, and now many have lost their weekends and many are being juniored onto 10hr shifts against their will.
 
Those are just a few examples ... you can add to it the general distaste for the ibts secret negotiations, and more recently their announcement of their intent to try and get UAL into their Teamcare medical plan which almost no one here seems to want and you have representation cards being signed.

 
The merry-go-round continues.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

 
The merry-go-round continues.

 
In your mind perhaps

 

[NYer]

Here is a sneak preview, I think, of what the NMB will/should do with the application of the Ass.

https://storage.googleapis.com/dakota-dev-content/42-NMB-No.-3-Authorization-of-election.pdf


This is a two page , very easy read and very similar to our situation, and this JUST happened.

Oh, and NYer, they filed JOINTLY, which apparently to you makes it all cool, well it wasn't cool here.

 
That read as a dispute and there doesn't seem to be an "Association" or agreement for mutual cooperation in the representation of the members in that case as there is here.
 
"On August 6, 2014, the Transport Workers Union of America (TWU) and the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (lAM) jointly filed an application as the Airline Mechanic and Related Employees Association TWU/IAM (TWU/IAM Mechanics Association), the Airline Fleet Service Employee Association TWUIIAM (TWUIIAM Fleet Association) and the Airline Stores Employee Association TWU/IAM (TWU/IAM Stores Association) requesting that the National Mediation Board (NMB or Board) investigate whether American Airlines, Inc. (American) and US Airways, Inc. (US Airways) (collectively the Carriers or the New American) are operating as a single transportation system for the crafts or classes of Mechanics and Related Employees, Fleet Service Employees, and Stock and Stores Employees."
 
It's not the same, but valiant effort.

 

[NYer]

Then second last paragraph really says it all.
There is 350 employees, 205 of them represented by the union the NMB placed on the ballot, 145 represented by the TWU , less than the REQUIRED 50%+1 showing of interest, DENIED.

Thats how it's supposed to work folks, and again, THEY FILED JOINTLY, a regular Cumbia love in, really cool new thing, ... Oh wait, no showing of interest?, sorry, rules are rules.

 
They didn't file as an "Association" or as a vehicle to both continue to represent their perspective members. That is why PAFCA was on the ballot. In our case it will be the TWU/IAM Association on the ballot.

 

[NYer]

That decision for the United Flight Dispatchers is pretty much identical to what we have.

Anything other than TWU on the ballot will open up the NMB to a lawsuit that would probably be pretty easy to win.

Just hand this decision to the judge.

 
Not only is not identical, it isn't even similar.
 
Another lawsuit? Good grief.

 

[2ndGENAMT]

They didn't file as an "Association" or as a vehicle to both continue to represent their perspective members. That is why PAFCA was on the ballot. In our case it will be the TWU/IAM Association on the ballot.

Sounds simple...Why is it taking so long??

 

[CMH_GSE]

They didn't file as an "Association" or as a vehicle to both continue to represent their perspective members. That is why PAFCA was on the ballot. In our case it will be the TWU/IAM Association on the ballot.

So, apparently , now, filing JOINTLY no longer means anything, but earlier, you made it out like it was bible. Got it.

You are no different than WT , your back must be getting sore moving those goal posts around.

 

[NYer]

Sounds simple...Why is it taking so long??

 
We have several contracts. The process to try and determine what groups go with who, where, who's covered, who's not covered can take quite a bit of time. In other words, there are positions in AA that unionized while they're not covered at US and vice-versa.
 
In contrast, the APA are ALL pilots and the APFA are all flight attendants, which makes their process much easier and to the point.

 

[NYer]

So, apparently , now, filing JOINTLY no longer means anything, but earlier, you made it out like it was bible. Got it.

You are no different than WT , your back must be getting sore moving those goal posts around.

 
Hardly. PAFCA and the TWU filed their petitions jointly, but as separate entities.
 
The IAM and the TWU filed jointly as the TWU/IAM Association.
 
Two completely different scenarios.

 

[Buck]

 
Hardly. PAFCA and the TWU filed their petitions jointly, but as separate entities.
 
The IAM and the TWU filed jointly as the TWU/IAM Association.
 
Two completely different scenarios.

How can the TWU and IAM file as an Association when that association is non existent or perhaps against the law?