TWU-IAM Finally Getting Ready for JCBA Negotiations

[dfw gen]

After 25 years I agree with you bob
it will be the old adage "they can do that"

 

[AANYER]

Bob,
 
There has never been truer words written.  Please continue to educate the AA and LUS AMT class about the evils of the TWU/IAM Association.  Additionally, you need to get the word out via union meetings to the reps so that they can spread the true evils and intent of the TWU/IAM Association everywhere.  I'm doing all that I can.  If they are appointed, this would be the rapture for all of AA AMT's.  The TWU is attempting to drive the final nail in the coffin of the AA AMT's to ensure we never see daylight again.

 

[WeAAsles]

So you say, but after nearly 30 years I've learned to expect the worst case scenario. We were told that the language about the "successful resolution" of the 1114 process would not interfere with us getting the other half of our prefunding accounts, yet nearly three years later the court made their determination and we still do not have our money. So when I told the members that this language would bite us in the ass, there were those who said I was using fear tactics to get the deal rejected just as you are now.

That's still held up in the courts Bob whether you or I like it or not. What determination have they made in regards to the retiree medical issue? Did I miss something?
 
When the cheerleaders were selling the concessions they said we had language saying that we had gain sharing, three years later and still notb a penny, not even a determination of what it will be based on, IIRC it cost us several thousand dollars a year per member, money that could have been used to get us some Holidays or vacation back, instead the company simply got additional concessions. We said that the language was bad, guys like you said we were lucky to have it and it would put money in our pockets and we were just being picky by demanding details.

I never said we were lucky to have it. And as a matter of fact I asked about that language quite often. But I also very much doubt that there was a value in the BK placed on it as several thousand dollars each if there wasn't anything tangible to set a metric by? But who told you that you were being picky?
 
In 2001 we negotiated Jump seat privileges, once again a value is assigned, we never got that either.
 
In 1995 we got a contract that gave the company SRPs. The selling point was that no mechanics would be forced to be an SRP, and that they would be introduced into the shops through 'attrition". Many shop guys in Tulsa voted for the deal because they thought they were safe in the shop till they retired. Well they were wrong, if there was an A&P  vacancy on the Dock  an SRP was hired and went in the shop and the shop A&P was forced to the dock. They came up with the term "system attrition". 
 
So does the agreement say that the intent is negotiate a deal where we all end up in the IAMNPF , yes it does, its not exactly a hard sell because it would cost the company less than our 5.5% 401k match and with wages going up it will be even more of a savings than it is now. 

I never saw ANYTHING in the writing that stated that our negotiators would ask to be a part of the IAMPF and give up the 401k match. Can you show me that language?
 
Now we both agree that the intent of the Association is to put us all in the IAMNPF. Correct?

A piece of the puzzle was asking the company for inclusion in the IAMPF. I don't think that's the end all be all intent of it no.

That is what the document says. I admit that it doesn't say anything about what their intents are as far as our AA plan, just as we weren't told A&Ps out of the shops and replaced by SRPs, weren't told that we would be losing push backs, weren't told that we would be losing de-icing, weren't told that we would not be getting gain sharing, weren't told that three years after the deal was signed we still would not have the rest of the prefunding, weren't told that we would be losing inspectors off the Bchecks, weren't told we would be losing the flex vacation. 
 
I'm concerned because i know its possible that our AA pension, thats currently a single employer plan, can be rolled into the IAMNPF multi-employer plan and I haven't seen anything stating that there is no intent by the Association to do so. The response from the Associations supporters on this blog has been that the IAMNPF would not want  accept  the billions that are in this fund due to the shortfall in the fund. This shortfall is not exactly a clearly defined number, recently heard it claimed that the fund was 100% funded. Even if that wasn't the case, changes between the early retirement rules and other restrictions that the IAMNPF has lower the estimated amount of monies needed to provide future benefits, so even if the AA fund had a liability that liability could dissapear simply due to the plan changes.    I also have to look at the fact that most of us are in our fifties, pensions tend to accumulate at a greater rate in the years after 20 than the years before twenty so we really would not accumulate much of a pension in the years we have left, so how would they make going into the IAMNPF appealing to us? To me the only way they can make it appealing to us is to roll us into the IAMNPF so we would have the same amount of credited years in the IAMNPF as we would if our AA plan was not frozen. What did they do at  USAIR and TWA?

On one part of your last paragraph it almost appears as if you're saying that the IAMPF might do AA a favor and take on it's underfunded liabilities to the detriment of those in the plan? I very much doubt that's what you are saying right?

I don't think they would give us any credited years of service since we haven't put a single dime into the fund. I doubt any fund is looking to give away free money.

As far as getting in at our age even if they wave the 5 year vesting period, no. I don't think it would pay for either of us against the 401k match personally. But if a CHOICE is given that's up the individual to make. 

Maybe some younger guys would like to have that choice? IF it happens that's up to them to make that choice.

 

[AANYER]

All AA & LUS AMT's
 
There is one reason you will never shake these fleet service leaches.  They need you in order to stay on the premise.  As a result, you will have to bare with them until we make the decision within or own ranks to remove ourselves from this scourge.  It's as simply as that.  So hang on there, there is always dark before light.  They know why they're fighting, it's a planed exercise from the higher up TWU and IAM brass.

 

[700UW]

All AA & LUS AMT's
 
There is one reason you will never shake these fleet service leaches.  They need you in order to stay on the premise.  As a result, you will have to bare with them until we make the decision within or own ranks to remove ourselves from this scourge.  It's as simply as that.  So hang on there, there is always dark before light.  They know why they're fighting, it's a planed exercise from the higher up TWU and IAM brass.

Another elitist, how did that work out at NW with that attitude?

 

[WeAAsles]

All AA & LUS AMT's
 
There is one reason you will never shake these fleet service leaches.  They need you in order to stay on the premise.  As a result, you will have to bare with them until we make the decision within or own ranks to remove ourselves from this scourge.  It's as simply as that.  So hang on there, there is always dark before light.  They know why they're fighting, it's a planed exercise from the higher up TWU and IAM brass.

 

 

[1AA]

Another elitist, how did that work out at NW with that attitude?

Why don't you ask your fellow IAM buddies who crossed and scabbed at NWA. I guess it was OK since it was amfa and not another industrial afl-cio union.

 

[700UW]

As did ALPA, PFAA (AMFA's sister), TWU and IBT flew stuck work.
 
And please explain how Receipt and Dispatch, Deicing and Air Starts break AMFA?
 
No Ramper fixed an airplane nor overhauled it and its components.

 

[xUT]

That's an irrelevant comment when it came to what I posted, and the idea of what makes sense and what does not.

Using common sense with industrial unions is a non sequitur.

 

[xUT]

As did ALPA, PFAA (AMFA's sister), TWU and IBT flew stuck work.
 
And please explain how Receipt and Dispatch, Deicing and Air Starts break AMFA?
 
No Ramper fixed an airplane nor overhauled it and its components.

Do we have to beat this dead horse again?
You know what the iam did.
You even admitted it once but now recant & deflect.
Good Boy...

 

[toroshark]

My Mother used to call me that until I beat her at Backgammon.

Based upon what you post on this site its a fair assumption that you probably cheated.

 

[WeAAsles]

Based upon what you post on this site its a fair assumption that you probably cheated.

Clever. Doesn't mean the information is refuted, but clever.

 

[Hackman]

And this is a perfect example of why I say a lot of mechanics are elitists.
 
And since you all claim Fleet Service at AA has a better CBA than AMTs, I guess Bob and his gang are inept.
 
Maybe you need WeAAsles and Nyer to negotiate your next CBA, since Fleet did so much better, and while you are at it get some stock clerks since you also say that Stores has a better CBA also.
 
The only anger I see is from you AMTs who claim the whole world is against you, are you guys fans of Jesse Ventura and Mel Gibson.
 
Seems to me you are all jealous of Fleet and Stores.
 

 

Ding Ding Ding!!!! Ladies and gents we have a winner!!!!  This prize Donkey goes 700 the IAm Tool Boy!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDOYK0v2IYo
I knew that little statement would bring the 700 IAm Tool Boy out from under his rock to call me ELITIST!!!! I SEE A ELITIST!!!! HEY EVERYONE WE GOT AN ELITIST HERE!!!
 
So as I predicted, it worked like a charm. Tell us IAm tool boy, when the IAm let you negotiate is that why the mechanics were the lowest paid of all the airlines? Is the reason the US Air management runs over your IAm brethren at will because your such a gullible dickweed?
 
I bet the US Air company boys baited you and you fell for it. Right?  :blush:

 

[700UW]

Ding Ding Ding!!!! Ladies and gents we have a winner!!!!  This prize Donkey goes 700 the IAm Tool Boy!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDOYK0v2IYo
I knew that little statement would bring the 700 IAm Tool Boy out from under his rock to call me ELITIST!!!! I SEE A ELITIST!!!! HEY EVERYONE WE GOT AN ELITIST HERE!!!
 
So as I predicted, it worked like a charm. Tell us IAm tool boy, when the IAm let you negotiate is that why the mechanics were the lowest paid of all the airlines? Is the reason the US Air management runs over your IAm brethren at will because your such a gullible dickweed?
 
I bet the US Air company boys baited you and you fell for it. Right?  :blush:

 

[Tim Nelson]

I haven't been to this forum in quite some time but I see it's a far cry from more informative times.  Well, I came here because I wanted to know if anyone had a timeline on when the NMB may rule or what the hangup may be. Just seems it's been unusually delayed. Peace