TWU-IAM Finally Getting Ready for JCBA Negotiations

[700UW]

Show us what law it is against?
 
And the NMB would have rejected it right away if it was illegal.
 
All the Q&A says there will be a vote, the CWA and IBT held a vote then the NMB approved their association.
 
Have you even read the agreement to see how it is structured?

 

[swamt]

Then second last paragraph really says it all.
There is 350 employees, 205 of them represented by the union the NMB placed on the ballot, 145 represented by the TWU , less than the REQUIRED 50%+1 showing of interest, DENIED.

Thats how it's supposed to work folks, and again, THEY FILED JOINTLY, a regular Cumbia love in, really cool new thing, ... Oh wait, no showing of interest?, sorry, rules are rules.

 
 

That's kinda weak of the witty coming from the Queen of the IAm tool boy whiners. Read the Delta F/A forum to see the sniveling IAm tool boy in action, it's very amusing. Maybe go hang out over there, they need you badly as IAm organizer for free. Since the IAm will be out at another airline after the TWu backdoors' the IAm with the despised and unwanted "Association", a sure debacle at AA, soon to come. You heard it here first tool boy.
 
How's that go?  "Board Cancer"?  "Don't let the facts get in the way"?
 
Hey IAm tool boy, here's your hero! The IAm's Buffy the Clown railing against your boy president Barry. Who knew Buffy could be so right? Screery....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKJVHjZVD60

 
 

 
They didn't file as an "Association" or as a vehicle to both continue to represent their perspective members. That is why PAFCA was on the ballot. In our case it will be the TWU/IAM Association on the ballot.

 
 

How can the TWU and IAM file as an Association when that association is non existent or perhaps against the law?

Hmmmmm?  Wonder if the TWU, yet again, planned this one all out?  Think about it. After reading the links above, could the TWU have planned for this type of a ruling coming from the NMB?  The majority at TWU prevailing by the ruling of the NMB?  Very interesting thoughts.  This would be monumental if the NMB rules the same way and says the TWU is on the list by mere numbers, as the TWU would pretty much automatically be certified.  The TWU was the "other" union in this previous ruling by the NMB, they do have first hand experience at what happened and may very well be returning the favor.  Very interesting folks. Do not throw this by the waste side as "never gonna happen"  think about it gentlemen...

 

[WeAAsles]

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[Buck]

Show us what law it is against?
 
And the NMB would have rejected it right away if it was illegal.
 
All the Q&A says there will be a vote, the CWA and IBT held a vote then the NMB approved their association.
 
Have you even read the agreement to see how it is structured?

Ok, maybe not against the law, however has something exactly like this ever been accomplished at the NMB? Will the two Associates alone be 50% +1 or will they be allowed to exist as one entity before it has been determined that they are one? Will new NMB rules be established to create this Association?

 

[Hackman]

 
 
 
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Hmmmmm?  Wonder if the TWU, yet again, planned this one all out?  Think about it. After reading the links above, could the TWU have planned for this type of a ruling coming from the NMB?  The majority at TWU prevailing by the ruling of the NMB?  Very interesting thoughts.  This would be monumental if the NMB rules the same way and says the TWU is on the list by mere numbers, as the TWU would pretty much automatically be certified.  The TWU was the "other" union in this previous ruling by the NMB, they do have first hand experience at what happened and may very well be returning the favor.  Very interesting folks. Do not throw this by the waste side as "never gonna happen"  think about it gentlemen...

Very astute of you to get what I'm saying here. With the TWu being the dominant carrier union within this contrived "Association" it just might be in those cards up the sleeve that the TWu International henchmen planned this farce all along. With some green grease on certain wheels, and piles green eyed from new TWu dues suckers (uh, I mean members) the IAm might just be leaving this poker game flat folded up when it comes time to call and show.
 
The TWu would step over the dead body of the IAm to pad it's coffers with several million a year in new suckers (uh, I mean members). Never happen right?

 

[CMH_GSE]

Show us what law it is against?
 
And the NMB would have rejected it right away if it was illegal.
 ?

Incorrect.

Read the link I posted and learn.

The NMB will FIRST determine single carrier system or not, BEFORE they look at anything else.

Next, after determining single carrier system, they then decide on POTENTIAL representation issues.
That's when the cool new Ass is going to have a problem.

 

[WeAAsles]

I guess the IAM didn't have any lawyers on their side look into this to see if it would be legal before it was put together and filed with the NMB? Back to using common sense again.

 

[700UW]

How Many dealings have you had with the NMB CMH?
 
How many organizing campaigns have you been part of?
 
How many raids were you involved in?
 
Question, does a GSE Mechanic and/or a Facility mechanic have the same base wage rates as an aircraft mechanic at AA?

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

What is your stake in the game?
 
What is the angle you're working?
 
You have a hardon for all things IAM the way another poster has a hardon for a former employer,it's beyond passion for the labor movement/industry,it's slavish devotion to an entity you claim to have no affiliation with and draw no compensation from.
 
That doesn't pass the sniff test.
 
You're in jihadi type fanaticism mode here.
 
Why is the question.

 

[700UW]

Because I have family still in the IAM.
 
I made many friends in the leadership role in the International, District, and Local, and they are close friends.
 
I worked the raid in the summer of 2013 when the IBT was raiding the IAM at US. (And yes I was paid from June of 2013 till September of 2013 for my work.)
 
Would I ever consider working for them again and being compensated, yes, and I also have no problem doing certain things for free as I have a passion for the labor movement.
 
I spent 20 years as a Shop Steward, Trustee, Recording Secretary, District Lodge 142 Communicator, held many various roles at the Local Level and District and was on many committee, bylaws, organizing etc...
 
I attended all the Leadership Classes at Placid Harbor, and various other classes there.
 
I was the Local Lodge Editor at CLT for over 10 years and won many awards for my work.
 
I was on the Negotiating Committee for US Airways Mechanic and Related in 2004/2005 and the CO IAM Flight Attendants in 2005.
 
Its a passion I have and I care about my friends, family and former coworkers.
 
If that bothers you that I post my opinions and facts, I am sorry if you dont like it, or care about it, but it is my choice and I will continue to support my family and friends.

 

[TWU informer]

Because I have family still in the IAM.
 
I made many friends in the leadership role in the International, District, and Local, and they are close friends.
 
I worked the raid in the summer of 2013 when the IBT was raiding the IAM at US. (And yes I was paid from June of 2013 till September of 2013 for my work.)
 
Would I ever consider working for them again and being compensated, yes, and I also have no problem doing certain things for free as I have a passion for the labor movement.
 
I spent 20 years as a Shop Steward, Trustee, Recording Secretary, District Lodge 142 Communicator, held many various roles at the Local Level and District and was on many committee, bylaws, organizing etc...
 
I attended all the Leadership Classes at Placid Harbor, and various other classes there.
 
I was the Local Lodge Editor at CLT for over 10 years and won many awards for my work.
 
I was on the Negotiating Committee for US Airways Mechanic and Related in 2004/2005 and the CO IAM Flight Attendants in 2005.
 
Its a passion I have and I care about my friends, family and former coworkers.
 
If that bothers you that I post my opinions and facts, I am sorry if you dont like it, or care about it, but it is my choice and I will continue to support my family and friends.

 
That is plenty of education and experience to see that organized labor is failing miserably and has since the merge of the AFL and the CIO, and the "political" reliance and agenda.
 
If you really care, then stop towing the status quo line and advocate change. Read some history with an open mind and stop swimming in the kool-aid cult juice served at modern day leadership training.

 

[CMH_GSE]

I guess the IAM didn't have any lawyers on their side look into this to see if it would be legal before it was put together and filed with the NMB? Back to using common sense again.

Well, let's see, does the TWU have any lawyers that could have looked into see if filing jointly in the UA Dispatchers deal was legal?

 

[700UW]

 
That is plenty of education and experience to see that organized labor is failing miserably and has since the merge of the AFL and the CIO, and the "political" reliance and agenda.
 
If you really care, then stop towing the status quo line and advocate change. Read some history with an open mind and stop swimming in the kool-aid cult juice served at modern day leadership training.

You dont know what I did behind the scenes when I was involved.
 
I was always trying to modernize and move what I could forward.
 
I never drank the koolade and always voiced my opinion, I can tell you it took the DL 142 President to get in between me and the head General Chairman at US while I was on the Negotiating Committee before I was going to kick his butt.

I wasnt towing the party line ever as a representative, I always put my members best interest before anything.

 

[NYer]

How can the TWU and IAM file as an Association when that association is non existent or perhaps against the law?

 
There has to be an Association agreed to by the parties in order to make an application as such. That agreement has been in place between the parties since May 2013 and it is now asking the NMB to recognize it as a collective bargaining representative for the combined TWU/IAM workforces.

 

[NYer]

 
 
 
 
 
 
Hmmmmm?  Wonder if the TWU, yet again, planned this one all out?  Think about it. After reading the links above, could the TWU have planned for this type of a ruling coming from the NMB?  The majority at TWU prevailing by the ruling of the NMB?  Very interesting thoughts.  This would be monumental if the NMB rules the same way and says the TWU is on the list by mere numbers, as the TWU would pretty much automatically be certified.  The TWU was the "other" union in this previous ruling by the NMB, they do have first hand experience at what happened and may very well be returning the favor.  Very interesting folks. Do not throw this by the waste side as "never gonna happen"  think about it gentlemen...

 
Can't happen. The submission to the NMB was as the TWU/IAM Association and that is the only question in front of the NMB, they cannot decide for an entity that has not applied and the TWU has not applied as a sole entity.