TWU-IAM Finally Getting Ready for JCBA Negotiations

[CMH_GSE]

It's your assertion. You show me.
 
You're making the claim.....So show me.

Like I said
It's NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE.

You can't show me where two unions petitioned the NMB to form an association Without getting prior approval of the membership.

Show me ONE example, you can't , because there isn't one.

 

[AP Tech]

And during all this time of battling back & forth within  and waiting for a NMB decision, who is suffering...the dues paying membership who are still the lowest paid in the industry.......Bottom line it SUCKS!!!!!

 

[Overspeed]

CWA - Teamsters Association in 2005 at US Airways. Did they vote?
 
http://peoplesworld.org/teamsters-cwa-form-airline-customer-service-alliance/

 

[Slopoke]

CWA - Teamsters Association in 2005 at US Airways. Did they vote?
 
http://peoplesworld.org/teamsters-cwa-form-airline-customer-service-alliance/

 
 
After reading the article, I am assuming they did. The quote below taken from the article is what leads me to believe there was a vote. I don't know any details of the association other than what was in the article, so if they did not vote on the association, I don't know why.
 
 
"The proposal to create a new Airline Customer Service Employee Association–IBT/CWA will be presented to members of the two unions for their approval, reported Teamsters President James Hoffa and CWA President Larry Cohen".

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

 
They didn't lose more than 85% of their Membership, AMFA had 20,000 Members at their peak and are now down to less then 3000.

 
Wrong -The IAM has most certainly lost more than 85% of their AMT membership.

 

[Hackman]

Glad to see your another mechanic that has to attack and make accusations, you do know slander and defimation of character has it's consequences if someone chooses to act.

I do not work nor receive anything from anyone or any union to post on the board. I am a trade unionist at heart, something that elitists like you will never understand and you and your type blame everyone else for your work issues than take personal responsibility for your group's failures.

So keep up the the lies and misinformation, as it's easier for you to attack people instead of debating the issues with facts and realities of what has happened in the industry over the past 20 years.

Oh please IAm tool boy, don't threaten me with same old hollow accusations of slander and defamation of those who call it like it is. I never mentioned your name, and truth be told, I don't really care who you are, your just another annoying IAm wanna be who has immersed themselves where they are not wanted. I would surmise a court of law would laugh a delusional defamation case out of court with an anomunous posts on a message board. Press on though, act if you must.
 
The simple fact is your not a trade unionist, your an industrial unionist that believes in lumping all groups into one union such as the IAm, who continues to endorse this for dues collection. Not wanted.
 
In your simple mind, because many AMTs want out of the industrial union machine we are elitist. Same old IAm/TWu/IBt industrial unionist argument that doesn't hold water. I guess the AA F/As who left the TWu in 1978 are elitist and the AA pilots are also.
 
I can debate any issue you wish, but I won't debate with someone who has no bearing in my craft and no longer works at an airline.
 
Take your IAm blather and go bother those that want to hear it.
 
Which is not many...

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

 
The AMFA crowd likes to use the loss in Membership to portray a reason for a change, therefore if that is the case or the inference then the alternative they propose is worse in that measure.

 
Not with the IAM - The IAM has lost in excess of 85% of their peak AMT membership.

 

[toroshark]

You state the unions don't want a vote, then you say the Association put out a Q&A about a vote. Contradictory statement there.
 
The comment that resulted in my answer said this was never done before...the reality is there are many "Associations" in the airline industry and the it is very common in the railroads.
 
The belief no one wants a vote is a made up opinion that is not based on any fact, to the contrary the written opinion on the matter is that there will be a vote. As a matter of fact, there has been plenty of time to get cards in from any other choice the Members of either the TWU or IAM prefer. So when this reaches a conclusion there shouldn't be any excuses.

You and your spinning agenda are so full of it. A vote of the Association,twu,or iam would be a credible voting scenario. A vote of the Association or no representation is a gun to the head. And that is the options that the Q&A stated that we would have. SOOOO start spinning and deflecting to try and further your self-serving agenda.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

 
 
After reading the article, I am assuming they did. The quote below taken from the article is what leads me to believe there was a vote. I don't know any details of the association other than what was in the article, so if they did not vote on the association, I don't know why.
 
 
"The proposal to create a new Airline Customer Service Employee Association–IBT/CWA will be presented to members of the two unions for their approval, reported Teamsters President James Hoffa and CWA President Larry Cohen".

 
Both unions conducted seperate pollings of their memberships prior to filing with the NMB - The NMB cites these votes by the ibt & CWA in their determination granting that association certification.

 

[CMH_GSE]

You and your spinning agenda are so full of it. A vote of the Association,twu,or iam would be a credible voting scenario. A vote of the Association or no representation is a gun to the head. And that is the options that the Q&A stated that we would have. SOOOO start spinning and deflecting to try and further your self-serving agenda.

Almost correct.
In the recent conclusion by the NMB for the PSAs cool new association, they state:
The INCUMBANT and any intervener has 30 days to submit application with appropriate showing of interest.

So, even if the NMB rules in favor of the Ass,
The TWU can , as an INCUMBANT , get on the ballot as they have the necessary 50+1 % of the membership under contract.
But , Lombardo will have to ask to get on the ballot, the NMB won't just put them on.
The IAM has no shot to get on the ballot, not enough showing of interest.
TWU is not the preferred choice, but a better one than the Ass, and apparently, the only one that will have the juice to get on the ballot.

 

[Zom JFK]

So keep up the the lies and misinformation, as it's easier for you to attack people instead of debating the issues with facts and realities of what has happened in the industry over the past 20 years.

You mean the weak spineless unions spending their time and money plugging Democrats instead of fighting the companies for the members? Those "realities"?

 

[Vortilon]

I was at US for 20 years, Mechanics, representing Mechanics.

 
 
C'mon, really?  Did you vote?  Even if your assertion were true, do you think using US Air as an example would be fair?  I mean, all things considered BKs, numereous mergers, etc..

 

[MetalMover]

Where are you getting your info from? After the company bought TWA we had 13000 clerks. From there we went all the way down to just about 8000 for around a 5000 members loss. Like yourselves we took a massive cut in 03 going from $24.00 down to $20.00 in base wages. We lost Holidays, Double Time and a half, protection status moved to July 1998, paid lunches, penalty hours and a weeks vacation. I don't know why some of you think you cornered the market on losses?

 

Ok, so where is the BENEFIT in losing jobs and members. You would think that with these numbers, your salary would've gone UP $4.00 instead of going down. Isn't that what you and NYer have been whining about? that AA has more mechanics than any other airline? What is the excuse for fleet service? You lost a multitude of people but yet your pay does has not reflected the gains made by outsourcing.

 

[MetalMover]

 
They didn't lose more than 85% of their Membership, AMFA had 20,000 Members at their peak and are now down to less then 3000.

Ok AMFA lost jobs...What is your response to the IAM and the TWU losing jobs? I guess from your perspective the IAM and TWU lost jobs because of economics and a changing airline environment...but AMFA lost jobs.....why?

 

[MetalMover]

 
Where is the "winner" union? You don't mean the one that has lost 17,000+ Members, or over 85% of their peak total...Do you?

You like to quote jobs lost under AMFA's watch.....Ok how about telling us how many jobs the IAM lost and the TWU?
The IAM once dominated the airline industry....What are their numbers now?