TWU-IAM Finally Getting Ready for JCBA Negotiations

[700UW]

And why have your and your fellow mechanics at AA failed to make a change in the past 52 years?
 
And when someone like Hack posts we dont care about any other classification and we want to outsource you and so they can pay him more money, is all the proof about being an elitist, myself and others have heard the "Coat tail rider" comments for over 20 years.
 
So Utility being lumped in has dragged you down?

You are an elitist, you just made my case for me.
 
Do you really think that if the company cut other groups you would get more money?
 
And US went through two bankruptcies in less than two years, I was there, lived it and had to deal with the corporate arrogance and their abuse of the bankruptcy laws to screw the employees, but hey thats the unions' fault right?

The IAM and the TWU caused 9/11, SARS, the Gulf Wars and the spike in crude oil right?
 
Maybe if people woke up and voted on economic issues instead of the right wing conservative ideas, things would be better, but hey its better to blame everyone else instead of yourselves.

 

[1AA]

Paid?

Do you know something I dont?

You wont find my name on an LM-2 for the IAM.
 
And until 2008 Stores at US Airways was part of the Mechanic Class and Craft and they are still on the Mechanic and Related CBA.  And I was Utility also and they are part of the class and craft.
 
Glad to see you have to call names instead of debating the topic at hand.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way.

I have looked and searched through LM- 2's and never came across 700UW. For once you tell the truth, I think.

 

[700UW]

I have looked and searched through LM- 2's and never came across 700UW. For once you tell the truth, I think.

Now thats funny.
 
Like I have stated I did work for the IAM from June of 2013 till September of 2013 for them against the raid, nothing that I have hidden.

 

[Vortilon]

And why have your and your fellow mechanics at AA failed to make a change in the past 52 years?
 
And when someone like Hack posts we dont care about any other classification and we want to outsource you and so they can pay him more money, is all the proof about being an elitist, myself and others have heard the "Coat tail rider" comments for over 20 years.
 
So Utility being lumped in has dragged you down?
You are an elitist, you just made my case for me.
 
Do you really think that if the company cut other groups you would get more money?
 
And US went through two bankruptcies in less than two years, I was there, lived it and had to deal with the corporate arrogance and their abuse of the bankruptcy laws to screw the employees, but hey thats the unions' fault right?
The IAM and the TWU caused 9/11, SARS, the Gulf Wars and the spike in crude oil right?
 
Maybe if people woke up and voted on economic issues instead of the right wing conservative ideas, things would be better, but hey its better to blame everyone else instead of yourselves.

 
Balkanization of the AMT group has got them nowhere.  Right wing conservative ideas?  You really believe AMTs negotiating sans "and related" wouldn't benefit them?  Like I have posted, we have done it your way for decades.  Why are you so afraid of the idea of AMTs representing AMTs - without having the infuence of non AMTs diluting our vote.  That would be Democracy.

 

[CMH_GSE]

And why have your and your fellow mechanics at AA failed to make a change in the past 52 years?

The IAM and the TWU caused 9/11, SARS, the Gulf Wars and the spike in crude oil right?
 

I'll answer the last one first:
What the IAM and TWU HAVE caused, is the current shitt storm called the cool new association, that nobody wants,btw.

You're correct , in 52 years the TWU has remained, until now, when they've thrown out the rules to allow a parasite Union to ride along, uninvited by the membership.
Let's just call it the Cool New Association and let's file jointly, that should make it all ok, even though, it's never ever been done before.

 

[WeAAsles]

Well Weasle,
 
Your opinions are for the most part, at best, a mixture of cow excrement and cat piss. A foul stench, but of no consequence.
 
You should ply your TWu wares with the F/As again, they left the TWu in 1978, never to return.
 
I'm sure they would tell you the same as AMT's, TWu ramper opinions are not wanted, and you have nothing but hot air, and also not one vote in their craft and class. Zero...zilch...nada.
 
Donc fermer vous pie hole

Ah I love it. A sense of humor is sorely lacking from these boards sometimes and your humor is certainly a breath of fresh ****. 

Since you asked for my opinion I'd be more than happy to share it with you.

I think Clerks should support Mechanics, mechanics should support clerks and all Unionized workers at AA and in the industry should support each other. We should also support those who are looking to organize and should support anyone who is just trying to get a fair shake in life. I don't think any of us should consider ourselves elitists since big business and their pocket Politicians certainly don't view us that way.

I think if you ever were to go to another Union that we should support your choice and ask how we can help you and you should accept and welcome that help. But if we got even a whiff that you were trying to make gains off of others backs we should do anything and everything we can to try and crucify you. And if you don't get it and the Alliance is certified you should stop and begin to support and advocate to make the alliance what you want and expect it to be. 

I think you deserve to be the absolute top paid in the industry and have more jobs as well than anyone. But you should also face all realities behind your expectations and stop ignoring them or fighting against them.

You should get GEO pay. It's ridiculous that a guy in a low cost of living area get's paid the same wages as a guy in a high cost of living area. Base pay should not be universal nationwide across the board.

And I think you should do anything and everything you can for those who the NMB lists as a part of your class and craft and not look to maybe back stab them for your own benefits.

Thanks for asking my opinion. 

 

[WeAAsles]

 
Meanwhile, baggage handlers, and other employee groups have remained at or near the top of the industry in pay and benefits. 

Where are you getting your info from? After the company bought TWA we had 13000 clerks. From there we went all the way down to just about 8000 for around a 5000 members loss. Like yourselves we took a massive cut in 03 going from $24.00 down to $20.00 in base wages. We lost Holidays, Double Time and a half, protection status moved to July 1998, paid lunches, penalty hours and a weeks vacation. I don't know why some of you think you cornered the market on losses?

We were "Major" industry bottom in pay until USair, UAL, NWA and DAL went through BK and then yes we were being paid a little more in base rates than them. The one thing we all held onto was pension accumulations. If you look at DAL and UAL right now (Not forgetting SWA) once again in base rates we are industry bottom.

Sure we got some raises in and after the BK but that was simply shifted compensation. No more pension accumulations so I have to make that up into a 401k, no retiree medical, and my medical costs went up. Not to mention loss of stations, cabin and mail. And a few other items like "Protection" status completely gone and the $12,500 special moving allowance as well.

Oh yea, I'm making out BIG time!!!

 

[700UW]

 
Balkanization of the AMT group has got them nowhere.  Right wing conservative ideas?  You really believe AMTs negotiating sans "and related" wouldn't benefit them?  Like I have posted, we have done it your way for decades.  Why are you so afraid of the idea of AMTs representing AMTs - without having the infuence of non AMTs diluting our vote.  That would be Democracy.

I was at US for 20 years, Mechanics, representing Mechanics.

 

[NYer]

Is it possible that through the "Democratic Process" of the Labor Unions involved, though their constitutions and bylaws, that we as the membership have already granted this Association? 

 
No, at least not for collective bargaining purposes.

 

[NYer]

 
Unlike industrial unions, AMFA doesn't have a paid staff of "professional" organizers such as yourself.
"Grass Roots" comes from the membership, not a team of professional 3rd party organizers.
 
Since they do have union paid organizers, aren't you scabbing their jobs?
 
Post on...

 
That seems to be working for AMFA being they've lost 85% of their Membership and they can't get their feet in the door to what some on here describe as the worst union in the history of organizing. Your post is not exactly a glowing endorsement. =/

 

[NYer]

Wow..all under the IAM's watch too.....Trying to compete with the TWU, eh? But yet there are the IAM/TWU association cheerleaders who think it is a good thing for two loser unions to unite.

 
Where is the "winner" union? You don't mean the one that has lost 17,000+ Members, or over 85% of their peak total...Do you?

 

[NYer]

You like to keep mentioning AA has more mechanics than any other airline...how about fleet service? Maybe we should outsource more fleet service....Maybe I'll bring it up at the next town hall meeting.. Would you like that? Maybe we can be more like Delta in that respect. less mechanics AND less fleet service....How about this ? Maybe if they give us UPS pay, we can reduce fleet service numbers by having mechanics load and unload aircraft, and do receive and dispatch? You know, not replace you all together, but help out....you know for more money?  Sound good?
 
You not only sound like a TWU mouthpiece, but now you are sounding like a company negotiator telling us if we want GEO pay, we are going to have to pay for it elsewhere....

 
I guess you've been asleep at the wheel for the last three decades. Every airline work group have been going through the same process. Every airline group has received in one pocket, while they take from the other. If we continue to fight our unions rather than getting together and fighting the industry, we will continue to go down this road. You will spend the rest of your career blaming the wrong people. Just look at the AMFA fight, it's about getting rid of the TWU, IAM of the Association and replace them with AMFA. Not because you can point towards better contracts they've negotiated....Nooooooo, but because you can fire them if you don't get what you want. It is a ridiculous argument.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

 
Where is the "winner" union? You don't mean the one that has lost 17,000+ Members, or over 85% of their peak total...Do you?

 
Well he is certainly not talking about the IAM, thats lost more AMT members than that!

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

And why have your and your fellow mechanics at AA failed to make a change in the past 52 years?
 

 
Yeah, we kept hearing that same tired argument at UAL ... right up to the day the IAM was decertified.   How many years was the IAM at UAL prior to that?

 

[NYer]

I'll answer the last one first:
What the IAM and TWU HAVE caused, is the current shitt storm called the cool new association, that nobody wants,btw.

You're correct , in 52 years the TWU has remained, until now, when they've thrown out the rules to allow a parasite Union to ride along, uninvited by the membership.
Let's just call it the Cool New Association and let's file jointly, that should make it all ok, even though, it's never ever been done before.

 
It's never been done before? Associations are common in the railroads, with the TWU participating. At US Airways you have the CWA and IBT representing agents. The AFA and CWA jointly represent Members in 19 different airlines. C'mon man....at least make your arguments credible.