TWU-IAM Association thread

[1AA]

Show me in writing there is a one bar

In writing or not, legal counsel was told by the NMB that there is no bar in place. Again the NMB representational manual is not always followed by the NMB. Now the next question is the drive continuing? Are cards coming in from Tulsa, USAir and Title 2 guys? Are we going to sit back and play the wait and see what we get in our next JCBA game? It's up to the membership what they want. Good luck to us all.

 

[WeAAsles]

§ 1206.4 Time limits on applications.
Except in unusual or extraordinary circumstances, the National Mediation Board will not accept an application for investigation of a representation dispute among employees of a carrier:
(a) For a period of two (2) years from the date of a certification covering the same craft or class of employees on the same carrier, and
( For a period of one (1) year from the date on which:
(1) The Board dismissed a docketed application after having conducted an election among the same craft or class of employees on the same carrier and less than a majority of valid ballots cast were for representation; or
(2) The Board dismissed a docketed application covering the same craft or class of employees on the same carrier because no dispute existed as defined in § 1206.2 of these rules; or
(3) The Board dismissed a docketed application after the applicant withdrew an application covering the same craft or class of employees on the same carrier after the application was docketed by the Board.
[44 FR 10602, Feb. 22, 1979, as amended at 75 FR 26088, May 11, 2010]

https://www.law.corn.../text/29/1206.4

http://twu514.org/fi...manual_0909.pdf

The board did not dismiss the application so it is a 2 year bar.

But of course there will be a few posters on this Forums board who will continue to try and keep you distracted from what is in front of you right now at this moment for whatever particular purpose it serves for them. If you can get information "In Writing" from any "Official" and "Reputable" source that states this information is wrong then of course you should put out that information and by all means carry on. Otherwise?

 

[john john]

In writing or not, legal counsel was told by the NMB that there is no bar in place. Again the NMB representational manual is not always followed by the NMB. Now the next question is the drive continuing? Are cards coming in from Tulsa, USAir and Title 2 guys? Are we going to sit back and play the wait and see what we get in our next JCBA game? It's up to the membership what they want. Good luck to us all.

Yea go have vote and stall negotiations you guys are playing right into managements hands

 

[Eagle]

All,
 
Several Association-related threads have been consolidated into this one. Please continue the discussion here.
 
Thank you.

 

[1AA]

Yea go have vote and stall negotiations you guys are playing right into managements hands

You mean like the 4% we lost because the two unions wanted to have this love fest of an association filing which took 8 months or so? That whole scam pushed things back enough. Talk about stalling, you don't have to look too far. Our own unions are costing us $$$$$, 14% equity hold, miss handled the prefunding match and our 4% raise. Who is stalling and costing us money? The TWU and the IAM. Do some reading before making a stupid comment.

 

[700UW]

His own union the CWA didnt get the 4% either.

 

[john john]

Do some reading before making a stupid comment.

With all your smartness and well-read knowledge

What is the time line on other vote?
From start to finish to having a volitional negotiating team in place
Since I am so stupid and will take a dumb ass guest 1 year

 

[saywhat]

You mean like the 4% we lost because the two unions wanted to have this love fest of an association filing which took 8 months or so? That whole scam pushed things back enough. Talk about stalling, you don't have to look too far. Our own unions are costing us $$$$$, 14% equity hold, miss handled the prefunding match and our 4% raise. Who is stalling and costing us money? The TWU and the IAM. Do some reading before making a stupid comment.

TWU 591 lawsuit on Alliance and AA challenging Tower, CLP and Maintenance groups had no bearing on the delay at all. Should have had the ok to start negotiations 6 months ago.

 

[john john]

Do some reading before making a stupid comment.

CWA/IBT has 20 article agreements 9 in progress hope to finished by the end of the year kept staling the negotiation process and leaving money on a empty table

 

[700UW]

Where is your 4%?

 

[john john]

Where is your 4%?

In my profit sharing pass and present

 

[700UW]

In my profit sharing pass and present

Oh you mean the PS that they didnt pay you the full value on?
 
So where is your 4% raise in wages?

 

[1AA]

With all your smartness and well-read knowledgeWhat is the time line on other vote?From start to finish to having a volitional negotiating team in placeSince I am so stupid and will take a dumb ass guest 1 year

I never mentioned another vote. You posted another delay if we have a vote. I never claimed to have a wealth of knowledge on this subject or any other. You failed to see that our own union delayed us from the 4%. Our own union is furthering delaying things because of the complex negotiating process. If the IAM bowed out we would have been well into negotiations. Don't deflect and blame me or AMFA for the delay. Put the blame on the source. The Association and their greediness of keeping the dues flowing for both unions with no regard of the memberships interest. We as members had no say and where lied too. This led many members to challenge the international such as local 591's appeal to the filing. We were against the association because we had no say what so ever. We signed petitions, wrote letters to the NMB and yet our concerns where disregarded. We were told if the association is approved by the NMB we would have a vote. The infamous question #5 on the Q&A from the association. Did you expect us to sit back and do nothing? It was and is the Association that has caused the delays. The AMFA supporters, AMFA and the over 6,000 card signers from both AA and USAir had absolutely nothing to do with any delay in negotiations. As far as getting a JCBA for M&E? Most people I spoke to union reps present and past say at least one year and maybe 18 months. All speculations. How do you combine two different airlines into one when it comes to work rules, ethics, scope, pay, holidays, O/T, field trips, outsourcing, training, retirement plans and so on when you have the TWU on one side for AA and the IAM on the other for USAir? This is complex for the negotiators and both unions to accept. We don't care for the IAM and they don't care for the TWU. We have our own guys who don't care for the TWU and they have guys that don't care for the IAM. Yeah this is going to work out really good. So who is to blame for the delay? Who is to blame for the 4% lose of pay? Who is to blame for the 14% equity hold? Who is to blame for the prefunding match? Me? AMFA? Local 591? All the union members on both sides challenging the association?

 

[WeAAsles]

All,
 
Several Association-related threads have been consolidated into this one. Please continue the discussion here.
 
Thank you.

Thank you.

 

[700UW]

http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2013%2012%20Month%20Documents/Employees%20and%20Compensation/MX/Average%20Annual%20Wages%20and%20Salaries%20-%20INHOUSE%20MAINTENANCE%20PERSONNEL.htm