TWU ask for release
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WingNaPrayer
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You would actually let an arbitrator make that decision for you? An arbitrator who can be bought and paid for by, well, just about anyone? I wouldn't trust an arbitrator, I would want final say and vote on all issues and then if it fails, I have no one to blame but myself.
eolesen
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Yes, normally, but in this case, neither party is able to move to the middle without angering their base, so perhaps having a third party to blame is best all around?...
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The AArogant company has made it clear they want a ZERO cost contract. The insult of a lump sum is just a sand in the hourglass. They want to eliminate jobs altogether in certain classifications with workrule changes that would have made Frank Lorenzo proud and bring a tear to his eye.
Yup, they expect us to give them a zero cost contract. All the savings we've generated add up to zero dollars for us, they needed that money for the PUPs, the increased landing fees, the increased fuel, the increased cost for parts, the bank fees, to pay off debt, to buy new aircraft, to buy winglets, to bail out JAL, etc. It seems that when anybody else asks AA for money they cant write the check fast enough but when we ask for some financial relief after 7 years and a 40% reduction in real earnings all of a sudden there's No money to be had!! Go figure? I say burn it down and lets see what grows in its place. The planes are pretty full, do you think the banks that own AA and all those planes are just gonna let them sit in the desert? Do you think the millions of people we move are gonna stay home? One of the many airlines that pay more will pick them up and those of us who decide to stay in this industry can go work for them. This is my last stop in this industry (unless SWA starts hiring in ISP!!).
We burn it down down and thats $20 billion less revenue moving around, not counting all the empty Hotel rooms, resturaunts, car rental counters and all the other things that benifit from the fact that we bring people where they want to go. Figure triple that, $60billion less for the banks to take cut from. The track record for mechanics who leave appears to be less than two years to surpass what it took us 20 years to achieve. We really dont have anything to lose, all the company is offering is another 18% cut in real pay, so it would probably take much less than two years to surpass what AA is offering. They have more to lose than we do.
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... after all bribes from the company and union have been received and considered by the mediators and arbitrators ...
FrequentFlierCA
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I don't think the NMB has to reply within a specific timeframe, but I can't imagine them taking more than a few weeks to decide. I'm curious why the TWU and APFA haven't bothered to publish their negotiating stances like AA's management has. Are they afraid the public will see that they are being intransigent?
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I believe it has been well documented by some on this board that the TWU has been more than willing to come down off of their Nov. 08 proposal. As far as the public, I'm not sure they really care about the issues of the AA unionized workforce as long as they can get that seat for next to nothing.
Its published here:
http://aa.twu.org/default.asp
Intransient? Look here; http://twu562.org/ and read the March 5 update.
Look here to see the companys spin; http://www.aanegotiations.com/twuTimelineUpd.asp
Even they admit we, mechaincs, are at the bottom of the industry with carriers that have gone BK ahead of us.
You think a 6 year pay freeze after a 6 year contract with a 40% paycut is reasonable? Are your wages today less than they were 12 years ago?
Release us and let the facts come out.
toroshark
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Intransigent? Intransigent? The TWU negotiating committee offered a greatly reduced proposal last summer. (I would have not voted for it) AA chose to reject it and stand pat with the concessionary proposals that have not really moved one iota towards any middle ground. Before someone wants to spout out the word INTRANSIGENT, they either need to know the meaning of the word, have the facts, or quit trying to spin lies.
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Facts are meaningless to the office/pro-company types that only want cheap tickets at any cost. Word definitions for these people follow the logic of "I didn't have sex with that woman", and lying to their workers is what they do best.
Suffice to say a military commander that treated his troops this way in a combat situation would be fragged in short order.
I have spoken with my Base chair about getting something out to the membership, and there is a mailing on it's way, ApFA was waiting until the last talks and next course of action was discussed with the BOD. We only have so much money.
More lame excuses.
How much money does it take to post the information on a website or send it by email?
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