The only clock that has started is a countdown to another concessionary contract imposed by a bankruptcy judge. And we will have brought that on ourselves and can't blame Arpey and company. By all means go ahead, keep forcing their hand to file Chapter 11 by threatening a walk out.
TWU ask for release
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Let er rip, the airlines that went BK make more than we do, except USAIR.
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Flatline doesn't realize only two things are keeping Horton from a filing - Corporate doesn't want to lose control and corporate wants to be able to blame anybody/anything but their own mismanagement for said filing.
Hopeful
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I think it is of the general consensus that a strike would be unlikely given the overall state of the economy and Obama having no desire to have tens of thousands of airline employees file for unemployment insurance the same week, hence no need for a bankruptcy filing yet.
But by requesting a release from mediation, all parties are made aware that current talks are going nowhere. there has to be a breaking point, and we are there.
The most important aspect of a contract is compensation, ( just like the executives, we are no different in that regard.) The company claims to want to be competitive, but their offer is a continued slap in the face. Offering puny lump sums is insulting.
I am willing to go all the way and have an arbitrator decide my fate because the company will just drag this out as long as possible.
(By the way, nice job on the "new" boards.!)
jimntx
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Tain't necessarily so. If you apply and say that it's not you on strike, it's those other guys. And, that you fear for your safety if you cross the picket line, you can get unemployment benefits--at least in some states. But, you are correct that if you admit to being on strike, you do not qualify.
I would think that arbitration would be preferable for the worthless union leaders; that way, they avoid accountability. The arbiter becomes the bad guy. The company and its greedy executives save face if the arbiter awards a larger increase than the company was offering as they don't have to increase their offer in negotiation. But I would think that 99% of the workers would find arbitration abhorrent. I would imagine that many would say "why pay dues to the the TWU if they're just going to sit back and let an arbiter decide things?"
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So we should just wait for the company to drop some crumbs on the floor and we can all fight over them?
I will gladly continue paying union dues, even to the TWU....I like my seniority protection and if there were no protection, this company would begin forcing out all the older workers and bring in cheaper younger labor....You know, like the Corporate World does.
FAA Proposes $13,587,500.00 Fine For Aircraft Maintenance Irregularities at AMR.
From the AP:
"...Federal regulators have hit American Airlines with $300,000 in new penalties over maintenance issues.
Last week, the FAA proposed $787,500 in penalties against American for three separate maintenance incidents. The airline said it was appealing those fines...
...In 2008, the FAA accused American of several cases of improper maintenance including flying planes with broken autopilot systems. The FAA proposed a $7.1 million fine, which American is still contesting...
...American's regional division, American Eagle, has been hit with $5.4 million in proposed FAA fines this year over maintenance work.
...Both airlines are owned by AMR Corp., headquartered in Fort Worth, Texas."…
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American Airlines is looking at $ 8,187,500.00 in fines from the FAA for violations of maintenance standards.
American Eagle is looking at $5,400,000.00 in fines from the FAA for violations of maintenance standards.
The A&P Mechanics at American Airlines are among the worst paid in the air carrier industry according to the American Airlines website regarding the ongoing negotiations with the union representing the aircraft mechanics. I do not know where AE Aircraft Mechanics rank in the regional carrier industry.
"The rate at which experienced airline mechanics are leaving American Airlines is far beyond the normal attrition rate during any recent measured period of the troubled air carriers history," is how the AP story should end.
From the AP:
"...Federal regulators have hit American Airlines with $300,000 in new penalties over maintenance issues.
Last week, the FAA proposed $787,500 in penalties against American for three separate maintenance incidents. The airline said it was appealing those fines...
...In 2008, the FAA accused American of several cases of improper maintenance including flying planes with broken autopilot systems. The FAA proposed a $7.1 million fine, which American is still contesting...
...American's regional division, American Eagle, has been hit with $5.4 million in proposed FAA fines this year over maintenance work.
...Both airlines are owned by AMR Corp., headquartered in Fort Worth, Texas."…
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American Airlines is looking at $ 8,187,500.00 in fines from the FAA for violations of maintenance standards.
American Eagle is looking at $5,400,000.00 in fines from the FAA for violations of maintenance standards.
The A&P Mechanics at American Airlines are among the worst paid in the air carrier industry according to the American Airlines website regarding the ongoing negotiations with the union representing the aircraft mechanics. I do not know where AE Aircraft Mechanics rank in the regional carrier industry.
"The rate at which experienced airline mechanics are leaving American Airlines is far beyond the normal attrition rate during any recent measured period of the troubled air carriers history," is how the AP story should end.
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I dont think that is the case if anybody knows some NORTHWEST guys that were on strike please respond...................BOCHICA
Well during our 2005 AMFA srrike I personally was not able to collect in TN. But judges in other states ruled that it was a constructive lockout and they were able to collect. I know my friend in IND collected as well as MI and eventually MSP. But as a general rule no you don't collect in the event of a strike. However, during the 98 NW pilot strike all the other work groups affected were able to collect myself included but the striking group can't collect.
jimntx
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Uh, I used to work for the Texas Employment Commission (now called, the Texas Workforce Commission). It is not the same in every state or even in the same city. Each case is decided on its own merits. If you say you are on strike, no you can not collect, but I know for a fact that in the past those who said their union was on strike and they feared for their safety if they crossed the picket line were allowed to collect.
In your state and your city it may be different, but that doesn't mean that what is true in your case is true in every case.
Although AMR may desire Arbitration to either a strike or a PEB: why would the Unions other than the TWU?
The FA's and the Pilots are seeking full restoration, the TWU has never demanded full restoration as their Last, Best, Final Offer.
If the current administration is willing to bleed itself for heathcare and immigration reform; why not add in the only airline that does overhaul, a DBP and retiree Health Care domestically under full review by the agencies of the US Government?
TWU informer
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When does the NMB answer the TWU request?
thought is was to be 10-14 days after the request to have a comment period but have not heard any thing from either sideand not sure if the 10-14 days includes weekends or business days
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