TWU and IAM representation alliance vote

[chellow]

 

The IAM is the world’s largest airline union and represents approximately 11,000 pre-merger US Airways workers.
 
 

 

 
Used to be the the world's largest union.

 

[700UW]

You seem to have forgotten the IAM represents CSA, RES, Stores and Ramp at UA.
 
Now they also represent Spirit Ramp, ExpressJet FAs.
 
They are STILL the largest Airline Union and STILL represent 11,000 at US.

 

[1AA]

You seem to have forgotten the IAM represents CSA, RES, Stores and Ramp at UA.
 
Now they also represent Spirit Ramp, ExpressJet FAs.
 
They are STILL the largest Airline Union and STILL represent 11,000 at US.

That is the problem. They will represent anyone who's employer is tied to an airline. This is the exact reason why we in the M&R want to rid ourselves of the IAM and TWU and move forward with a union that will represent our craft. Guys like you dont get it because you just stick your nose where it should not be and tell us how great the IAM is. We had it with the IAM and TWU. You do not see pilots or flight attendants desperately seeking representation from the IAM or TWU, do you? Next thing you will do is call the Pilots and Flight Attendants elitists or stupid like you do with the AMT's.

 

[700UW]

It doesnt matter that they represent US, UA, or any other carrier.
 
The IAM at US arent the same reps at UA or any other carrier.
 
When you look down at another classification under your CBA or the same union at the same company, you are an elitist.
 
And Pilots do the same, why does an RJ pilot make nothing compared to a mainline pilots?

Same for the FAs.

Regional Pilots and FAs are treated as second class in the same unions that represent mainline.
 
You are an elitist. 

 

[1AA]

Like I said they are not beating down the IAM or TWU door for representations are they? NO. Stop with the spin. And the problem is too many divisions within the union. Not with the pilots or flight attendants. Dues stays with the union that represents the craft. That does not happen with the TWU or the IAM. Who paid for the IAM corporate jet and the trips the untouchables take? Pilot unions and Flight Attendant unions and AMFA does not carelessly spend the members money. The IAM and TWU does. You just dont get it.

 

[700UW]

You are incorrect,
 
You do realize the AFA is part of the CWA and has been for years, so yes Verizon and Flight Attendants are in the same union.
 
The CWA represents the Agents at US also.
 
So there shoots a hole in your argument right there.
 
And you do realize RJ pilots had a major lawsuit against ALPA.
 
So besides being a mechanic you are an expert on the financials of ALPA and AFA, I seriously doubt that.
 
And AMFA doesnt spend money as they paid off Delle and dont have a strike fund even, they are down to just WN and AS for members.
 
And AMFA spent millions with McCormick, and you can pull up ALPA, AFA/CWA and AMFA's LM-2 and I can point out where money is spent on everything from toilet paper to arbitration.

 

[blue collar]

You are incorrect,
 
You do realize the AFA is part of the CWA and has been for years, so yes Verizon and Flight Attendants are in the same union.
 
The CWA represents the Agents at US also.
 
So there shoots a hole in your argument right there.
 
And you do realize RJ pilots had a major lawsuit against ALPA.
 
So besides being a mechanic you are an expert on the financials of ALPA and AFA, I seriously doubt that.
 
And AMFA doesnt spend money as they paid off Delle and dont have a strike fund even, they are down to just WN and AS for members.
 
And AMFA spent millions with McCormick, and you can pull up ALPA, AFA/CWA and AMFA's LM-2 and I can point out where money is spent on everything from toilet paper to arbitration.

One would think that someone who labels themselves as a trade unionist wouldn't be looking to degrade other labor unions? You can say it's because they are 'elitists' - but doesn't that just make you a union-elitist, stooping to the levels of those that you call elitist?

 

[700UW]

And here is AMFA's LM-2
 
http://kcerds.dol-esa.gov/query/orgReport.do
 
Interesting that they spent $7,000 with Aircraft Engineers International in Netherlands.
 
And why are they paying AS and WN Money back?
 
Almost $40,000 for a company called lobbyit for the AA campaign.
 
So please explain how the money stays with the union?

 

[700UW]

One would think that someone who labels themselves as a trade unionist wouldn't be looking to degrade other labor unions? You can say it's because they are 'elitists' - but doesn't that just make you a union-elitist, stooping to the levels of those that you call elitist?

Show me where I degraded?
 
I simply showed 1AA that he was incorrect.

 

[700UW]

Hey John John,
 
You are an agent at US and in the CWA, why did you vote in this poll?
 
And to Thirdseathero, you arent employed at AA or US, why did you vote in this poll?
 
Gee even you swamt voted in the poll, yet you are at WN?
 
All the no voters, gee non-AAers are voting, funny didnt see any of the AA mechanics who chasited the two yes votes, yet say nothing about non-aa and non-us people voting,
 
chellow, iluvaa, swamt, pdr, toroshark, Bob Owens, comatose, CactUS4Ever, BigMac, TopCat870, enough already, dfw gen, Vortilon, 1AA, Buster CRC, Duke787, paul1, OldBubba, richardhead, ThirdSeatHero, john john, bikeguy, Mr Red, 2ndGENAMT, scorpion 2, AA-MRO.COM, Ronin, chilokie1, 767 mechanic, Real tired, bigjets, 99Roadstar, MetalMover, CMH_GSE, Runwaysticker, OldGuy@AA, The Dissident, AP Tech

 

[blue collar]

Show me where I degraded?
 
I simply showed 1AA that he was incorrect.

Not in that particular post- but don't be disingenuous and pretend that you haven't degraded AMFA in many other posts.

 

[700UW]

Telling what happened is degrading?
 
Sorry if the truth hurts, but its what happened.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

 
Hey John John,
 
You are an agent at US and in the CWA, why did you vote in this poll?
 
And to Thirdseathero, you arent employed at AA or US, why did you vote in this poll?
 
Gee even you swamt voted in the poll, yet you are at WN?
 
All the no voters, gee non-AAers are voting, funny didnt see any of the AA mechanics who chasited the two yes votes, yet say nothing about non-aa and non-us people voting,
 
chellow, iluvaa, swamt, pdr, toroshark, Bob Owens, comatose, CactUS4Ever, BigMac, TopCat870, enough already, dfw gen, Vortilon, 1AA, Buster CRC, Duke787, paul1, OldBubba, richardhead, ThirdSeatHero, john john, bikeguy, Mr Red, 2ndGENAMT, scorpion 2, AA-MRO.COM, Ronin, chilokie1, 767 mechanic, Real tired, bigjets, 99Roadstar, MetalMover, CMH_GSE, Runwaysticker, OldGuy@AA, The Dissident, AP Tech
 

 
Yes, i voted in the Poll. I never claimed that I didn't.  While I'm not an AA or US mechanic, I wanted to voice my displeasure at what the IAM & TWU are doing - the membership deserves a say in their representation and the alliance has robbed them of it.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

You are incorrect,
 
You do realize the AFA is part of the CWA and has been for years, so yes Verizon and Flight Attendants are in the same union.
 
The CWA represents the Agents at US also.
 
So there shoots a hole in your argument right there.
 
And you do realize RJ pilots had a major lawsuit against ALPA.
 
So besides being a mechanic you are an expert on the financials of ALPA and AFA, I seriously doubt that.
 
And AMFA doesnt spend money as they paid off Delle and dont have a strike fund even, they are down to just WN and AS for members.
 
And AMFA spent millions with McCormick, and you can pull up ALPA, AFA/CWA and AMFA's LM-2 and I can point out where money is spent on everything from toilet paper to arbitration.

 
AMFA didn't pay off Delle - the purchase of his annuity was covered by the AMFA constitution which was in effect at that time.
 
McCormick was employed as an administrator and despite wild speculation and assertions to the contrary, there is nothing frivolous about that. I can pull up IAM LM-2s and find a whole host of administration positions the IAM pays doing equivalent work.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

And here is AMFA's LM-2
 
http://kcerds.dol-esa.gov/query/orgReport.do
 
Interesting that they spent $7,000 with Aircraft Engineers International in Netherlands.
 
And why are they paying AS and WN Money back?
 
Almost $40,000 for a company called lobbyit for the AA campaign.
 
So please explain how the money stays with the union?

 
The money spent for AEI are affiliation costs- AEI is a European mechanics organization
 
http://www.airengineers.org/
 
Thats exactly the sort of thing I'd want my union doing to help support my craft.
 
As for paying AS & WN I'd suspect its pay for lost time for reps pulled from the floor - thats how we did it at UAL when AMFA was our CBA
 
$40,000 for a campaign at AA? So what? I'm quite sure the IAM spends much more than that on organizing - surely you're not saying organizing is a waste of union funds.