TWU and IAM representation alliance vote

[700UW]

I think the combined group is around 12,000 or so.

 

[mike33]

 
Be that as it may, as i said it still not an overnight process - as to the cards - just remember, once you have STS then its just one group. AMFA doesn't need 50% +1 from US alone, if they have more than 50%+1 at AA to make up the difference. 
 
And as it has been posted here AMFA knows they already had more than 60% as of the last attempted filing. Couple that with the TWUs declining stock and general dislike for the Alliance, and I for one would be really surprised if AMFA didn't have enough cards.
 
We will see

you will be really surprised !!

 

[swamt]

Not sure, But I think that WHEN the alliance gets rejected, we would then have an election between the IAM and TWU....
 
Whatever the choices, it's AMFA for me.

Yes.  If the alliance is voted down or out, then the TWU will still represent AA mechs and the IAM will still represent US mechs.  If nothing else happens then after the merger the vote will them be comprised by the NMB for an election between the TWU and IAM.  However, IF we are being told is true that there will be an option of "other" or a "write-in" option then write in AMFA.   I honestly do not think it will ever get to the alliance vote as the AMFA should be applying for an election vote hopefully in Aug or some time in Sept.  Alot of folks are hoping for the AMFA vote so they will not have to even worry about this BS alliance vote.  Once AMFA gets in at AA then after merger there will be another vote between AMFA at AA and IAM at US unless US collects enough cards for AMFA, then the majority would then represent both after merger...

 

[swamt]

Still nobody posting and admitting to the 2nd yes vote for the alliance,  Hmmm...

 

[blue collar]

you will be really surprised !!

How would you know? How many mechanics do you come into contact with, that you ask about who they want as representation?

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

you will be really surprised !!

 
Perhaps.
 
I've been in this industry pushing 30 years now, and know full well even those things which seem surest are in fact not.
 
We shall see.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Still nobody posting and admitting to the 2nd yes vote for the alliance,  Hmmm...

 
Swamt,
 
Why do you keep pushing there will be two votes?
 
The IAM/TWU alliance has already stated they will be the only group filing for an election with the NMB on AA/US - The IAM & TWU are not filing separately.
 
Do you think the NMB will not let the Alliance file for an election?
 
I don't understand your reasoning here.

 

[BigMac]

The two that voted yes on the topic poll 3rd seat.

 

[BigMac]

Mobile version doesn't have a view option to see who voted yes on the poll.
WeAAsel already said he/she voted yes. If you push view on the full version of this site it says Realityck and WeAAel voted yes. Now..on to other things.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

The two that voted yes on the topic poll 3rd seat.

 
Whoops, my bad.  Disregard swamt.

 

[Bob Owens]

You are lying again, everyone knows the reality of what happened, the TWU and the APFA went back on their agreements, and the TWU and the IAM went to arbitration, you know this, its the Kasher Decision and the IAM spent over $5 million on the FAs to fight their battle and by law the IAM didnt have to do that.
 
But keep up the lies.

What agreement? I was there in Nashville when Sito And Ed LeClair came to meet with the TWU Presidents council. There was never any understanding that the TWA guys would get anything but stapled. That's how the Presidents council voted. To vote any other way would have been political suicide but if the IAM had kept the language then there would have been no question. I asked why they gave up the language they had, they said TWA owed them money for an engine the IAM owned and for the pension. If they didn't agree they would have received pennies on the dollar. The IAM gave away the language then expected us to act like they still had it. Don't bother bringing up how the IAM honored seniority when they took over Ozark because their union never surrendered their contract in fact the IAM was taken to cour by Trump Shuttle guys because the IAM was trying to screw those guys out of their seniority.

 

[swamt]

 
Swamt,
 
Why do you keep pushing there will be two votes?
 
The IAM/TWU alliance has already stated they will be the only group filing for an election with the NMB on AA/US - The IAM & TWU are not filing separately.
 
Do you think the NMB will not let the Alliance file for an election?
 
I don't understand your reasoning here.

TSH, you are not understanding my posts.  The 2nd vote I am talking about is the very vote under this forum of votes for or against the alliance.  There are 2 people that voted on the poll to accept the alliance, I was simply asking who was the 2nd vote for the alliance was.  I already know who it was, as does everyone else out here, just wanting HIM to post he did (or rather would) vote for the alliance and why, but he IS to much of a coward to do so.  
The NMB will allow any union to file for any election. However, they have no jurisdiction over an internal union issue to vote for a combination of any 2 unions, it's in fact an internal issue.  Can you see what I am asking for now???

 

[blue collar]

TSH, you are not understanding my posts.  The 2nd vote I am talking about is the very vote under this forum of votes for or against the alliance.  There are 2 people that voted on the poll to accept the alliance, I was simply asking who was the 2nd vote for the alliance was.  I already know who it was, as does everyone else out here, just wanting HIM to post he did (or rather would) vote for the alliance and why, but he IS to much of a coward to do so.  
The NMB will allow any union to file for any election. However, they have no jurisdiction over an internal union issue to vote for a combination of any 2 unions, it's in fact an internal issue.  Can you see what I am asking for now???

The alliance vote isn't an internal vote- it's already been decided by both unions that they're going to join up. The vote is going to be for representation.

 

[1AA]

What agreement? I was there in Nashville when Sito And Ed LeClair came to meet with the TWU Presidents council. There was never any understanding that the TWA guys would get anything but stapled. That's how the Presidents council voted. To vote any other way would have been political suicide but if the IAM had kept the language then there would have been no question. I asked why they gave up the language they had, they said TWA owed them money for an engine the IAM owned and for the pension. If they didn't agree they would have received pennies on the dollar. The IAM gave away the language then expected us to act like they still had it. Don't bother bringing up how the IAM honored seniority when they took over Ozark because their union never surrendered their contract in fact the IAM was taken to cour by Trump Shuttle guys because the IAM was trying to screw those guys out of their seniority.

Waiting to see if 700UW will counter by calling you a liar and finalize his comment with Don't let the facts get in the way.

 

[700UW]

The International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM) today announced that approximately 11,000 maintenance training specialist, fleet service and mechanic and related employees approved new contracts by 96, 86 and 67 percent respectively at the "new" American Airlines.

The three year accords provide for significant wage hikes, industry-best job security, retains affordable health insurance and preserves defined-benefit pension plans at the carrier.

"I'd like to thank all IAM members and their negotiating committees at US Airways for their patience, support and determination during this tenuous process," said General Vice President Sito Pantoja. "We are now well situated to begin joint contract talks with our Transport Worker Union (TWU) sisters and brothers to achieve the best contracts in the airline industry at the world’s largest airline."

The TWU-IAM representation Alliance, formed last year after the merger of US Airways and American Airlines, will begin talks with American Airlines for agreements that will bring over 30,000 TWU-IAM Alliance members under joint contracts.

The IAM is the world’s largest airline union and represents approximately 11,000 pre-merger US Airways workers.

For more information on the mechanic and related and maintenance training specialist contracts click here.

For more information on the fleet service contract click here.